Fire Pump Question

[Doorman]

I have a kwetchin that is right up the alley. In another forum a poster has asked:

Owner has an original 25 stories building project which has a fire pump design under IFC and IBC codes (NFPA). Now he wants to duplicate building next to original. Question is: Shall fire pump design be reviewed (capacity duplicated) to service additional building hazard (coincidence of hazard events) in additional building?

I can not find any article in referred codes to address this specific case.(I consider that pump should remain the same as worst case hazard would not happen at both bulidings at same time).

I have no idea (yet) in which state or city this is. My unsupported guess is that another pump is required in the new building. Can you guys support or knock that guess?

Thanks for helping, I appreciate it. Doorman

 

[steveray]

Yeah....there's no way two large buildings next to each other could ever have a catastrophic occurence within 12 minutes of each other or so.......

Not saying it can't be done...as I have seen it.....I have not had to review or approve it, but I have seen it....No NFPA 13 here right now...

 

[codeworks]

it stands to reason that the original building and it's systems, remain as it is( unless they are somehow being "incorporated into the new building". however, the new building will need whatever is required by current code, for wherever it is , based on size, square fotage, height , type of construction and occupancy classification. to be able to provide any more information, with any less provided, is long shot at best

 

[Coug Dad]

The existing fire pump could serve both buildings if properly sized. However, you need some agreements and easements in place so that if one the newer building is sold, that the fire pump in the existing building will continue to serve it.

 

[Doorman]

However, you need some agreements and easements in place so that if one the newer building is sold, that the fire pump in the existing building will continue to serve it.

Boy, that is a VERY good point.

I can't really tell from the other discussion if the guy intends to simply leave the existing pump as is or effectively double it.

Thanks for the input guys. If I get anything of value in the other place I'll bring it over for you.

 

[Doorman]

to be able to provide any more information, with any less provided, is long shot at best

I agree codeworks. We are not getting much from the original poster over there.

At that forum we get that a lot. Yesterday we had (I'm not kidding, this is really the question):

"What is the procedure to instal a pump / lift station?"

That's it. Pretty difficult to offer anything of value.

 

[Coug Dad]

A "pump / lift station" would apply to sewers, not a fire pump.

 

[north star]

+ = +

Doorman,

Section 913.2 [ in the `06 IFC ] requires "protection from interruption

of service".

QUESTION: If the fire pump is in Bldg. A, which is right next door to

Bldg. B, ...what happens to the level of protection for Bldg. B if the fire

pumps goes out / is knocked out / is bombed out of service?

That "other" Forum is not the place to be!......Become a Sawhorsee on

this Forum!

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[Doorman]

A "pump / lift station" would apply to sewers, not a fire pump.

Correct. Sorry for the confusion, the lift station Q has nothing to do with the fire pump question. That is a sampling of the sometimes woefully incomplete questions place in the other forum.

 

[steveray]

I think they would have to fix it or vacate the building in about 4hrs.....no code section on that.....just what I have heard from the fire guys.....

+ = +Doorman,

Section 913.2 [ in the `06 IFC ] requires "protection from interruption

of service".

QUESTION: If the fire pump is in Bldg. A, which is right next door to

Bldg. B, ...what happens to the level of protection for Bldg. B if the fire

pumps goes out / is knocked out / is bombed out of service?

That "other" Forum is not the place to be!......Become a Sawhorsee on

this Forum!

= + =