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Incandescent light bulb ban put on hold
- Thread starter mjesse
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Thanks mj that got the old blood boiling and woke me up nicely. Those :evil: regulators and :wstupid congressmen they hang with make me want to :banghdjeffc
Bronze Member
Here is an interesting article that sheds some light on the implications of the 2007 EISA.
http://www.lightingdesignlab.com/LDLNewsletter_Fall_2011.pdf
even with the lack of enforcement, it looks like our old school incandescent lamps are here to stay for awhile longer.
http://www.lightingdesignlab.com/LDLNewsletter_Fall_2011.pdf
even with the lack of enforcement, it looks like our old school incandescent lamps are here to stay for awhile longer.
Msradell
Sawhorse
The ban really wasn't put on hold! The only thing that happened was there is no money for enforcement of it. I really don't think most bulb manufacturers will continue producing them anyway. The they'll eventually they won't be able to and they can make more profit of the alternatives! For
Incandescent bulbs can last a long time. I would hope the DOJ doesn’t go after this Firehouse.
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• Age: 110 years and counting (as of June 2011)
• Installed: First installed at the fire department hose cart house on L Street in 1901. Shortly after it moved to the main firehouse on Second. In 1903 it was moved to the new Station 1 on First and McLeod, and survived the renovation of the Firehouse in 1937, when it was off for about a week. During it's first 75 years it was connected directly to the 110 Volt city power, (subject to the power outages) , and not to the back-up generator for fear of a power surge. In 1976 it was moved with a full police and fire truck escort, under the watch of Captain Kirby Slate, to its present site in 1976 at Fire Station 6, 4550 East Ave., Livermore, California. It was then hooked to a seperate power source at 120V according to Frank Maul, Retired City Electrician, with no interuptions since.
• Proof of Longevity: From local newspaper records; also GE engineers researched it. Was donated to the Fire Department in 1901 by Dennis Bernal who owned the Livermore Power and Light Co.
• Vital Statistics: The improved incandescent lamp, invented by Adolphe A. Chaillet, was made by the Shelby Electric Company. It is a handblown bulb with carbon filament. Wattage- Began at 60 watts, currently shines at 4 watts. Left burning continuously in firehouse as a nightlight over the fire trucks. For some research test results on another Shelby bulb at Annapolis follow this link.
• Recognition: Declared the oldest known working lightbulb by Guinness Book of World Records. Ripley's Believe-It-or-Not in 1972 researched it and declared it the oldest. Charles Kurault of the TV program "On the Road with Charles Kurault" visited the bulb in the 1970s and included it in his book as well. Declarations from the President of the U.S., Congress, Senate, State Senate and Assembly, and Shelby Ohio.In 2007 it was again recognized in Guiness, and Ripleys books.
• Closest Competitors: The Second longest bulb was listed in the 1970 Guinness Book under the heading Most Durable says that "on 21 Sept 1908 a stagehand named Barry Burke at the Byers Opera House, Fort Worth, Texas screwed in a new light bulb and that it was still burning". The building was renamed the Palace Theatre, and the light was known as the Palace Bulb ever since. It now resides in the Stockyards Museum, and will have been burning for 100 years Sept of 2008. A website is in the works.
The Third, a bulb in a New York City hardware store, Gasnick Supplies, had been working since 1912, but it is unknown if it still works today.
The Fourth is known as "the bulb" which like ours, burns in a firehouse in the town of Mangum, Oklahoma. It has been in operation since around 1926, has no special power conversions, and is turned on and off with normal use.
The Fifth was a bulb in a washroom at the Martin & Newby Electrical Shop in Ipswich, England was dated from 1930 and burned out in January 2001.
For more info on these follow this link to Roadside America, or Wikipedia.
• Future Plans: The City of Livermore and the Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Department intend to keep the bulb burning as long as it will. They have no plans at present what to do with the bulb if or when it does burn out. Ripley's has requested it for their museum.
• Visiting: You can visit the bulb depending on the availability of the Firemen on hand. Go to the rear of the station and ring the bell. If they are in someone will answer the door. Otherwise you can see the bulb if you look through the window up on the top of the wall to your left. To contact them directly you may call the LPFD at (925) 454-2361.
• Celebration: We commemorated its centennial on Friday, June 8, 2001 at the fire station. Please see the celebration gallery for all the pictures.
Plans are now in the works for the 110th birthday party on June 18, 2011.
Contact Info: For more information about the bulb,contact the Webmaster Steve Bunn at (510) 538-8207, or email CentennialBulb@hotmail.com To contact the LPFD directly you may call them at (925) 454-2361.
(Information provided by Livermore Lightbulb Centennial Committee 1/2011)
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• Age: 110 years and counting (as of June 2011)
• Installed: First installed at the fire department hose cart house on L Street in 1901. Shortly after it moved to the main firehouse on Second. In 1903 it was moved to the new Station 1 on First and McLeod, and survived the renovation of the Firehouse in 1937, when it was off for about a week. During it's first 75 years it was connected directly to the 110 Volt city power, (subject to the power outages) , and not to the back-up generator for fear of a power surge. In 1976 it was moved with a full police and fire truck escort, under the watch of Captain Kirby Slate, to its present site in 1976 at Fire Station 6, 4550 East Ave., Livermore, California. It was then hooked to a seperate power source at 120V according to Frank Maul, Retired City Electrician, with no interuptions since.
• Proof of Longevity: From local newspaper records; also GE engineers researched it. Was donated to the Fire Department in 1901 by Dennis Bernal who owned the Livermore Power and Light Co.
• Vital Statistics: The improved incandescent lamp, invented by Adolphe A. Chaillet, was made by the Shelby Electric Company. It is a handblown bulb with carbon filament. Wattage- Began at 60 watts, currently shines at 4 watts. Left burning continuously in firehouse as a nightlight over the fire trucks. For some research test results on another Shelby bulb at Annapolis follow this link.
• Recognition: Declared the oldest known working lightbulb by Guinness Book of World Records. Ripley's Believe-It-or-Not in 1972 researched it and declared it the oldest. Charles Kurault of the TV program "On the Road with Charles Kurault" visited the bulb in the 1970s and included it in his book as well. Declarations from the President of the U.S., Congress, Senate, State Senate and Assembly, and Shelby Ohio.In 2007 it was again recognized in Guiness, and Ripleys books.
• Closest Competitors: The Second longest bulb was listed in the 1970 Guinness Book under the heading Most Durable says that "on 21 Sept 1908 a stagehand named Barry Burke at the Byers Opera House, Fort Worth, Texas screwed in a new light bulb and that it was still burning". The building was renamed the Palace Theatre, and the light was known as the Palace Bulb ever since. It now resides in the Stockyards Museum, and will have been burning for 100 years Sept of 2008. A website is in the works.
The Third, a bulb in a New York City hardware store, Gasnick Supplies, had been working since 1912, but it is unknown if it still works today.
The Fourth is known as "the bulb" which like ours, burns in a firehouse in the town of Mangum, Oklahoma. It has been in operation since around 1926, has no special power conversions, and is turned on and off with normal use.
The Fifth was a bulb in a washroom at the Martin & Newby Electrical Shop in Ipswich, England was dated from 1930 and burned out in January 2001.
For more info on these follow this link to Roadside America, or Wikipedia.
• Future Plans: The City of Livermore and the Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Department intend to keep the bulb burning as long as it will. They have no plans at present what to do with the bulb if or when it does burn out. Ripley's has requested it for their museum.
• Visiting: You can visit the bulb depending on the availability of the Firemen on hand. Go to the rear of the station and ring the bell. If they are in someone will answer the door. Otherwise you can see the bulb if you look through the window up on the top of the wall to your left. To contact them directly you may call the LPFD at (925) 454-2361.
• Celebration: We commemorated its centennial on Friday, June 8, 2001 at the fire station. Please see the celebration gallery for all the pictures.
Plans are now in the works for the 110th birthday party on June 18, 2011.
Contact Info: For more information about the bulb,contact the Webmaster Steve Bunn at (510) 538-8207, or email CentennialBulb@hotmail.com To contact the LPFD directly you may call them at (925) 454-2361.
(Information provided by Livermore Lightbulb Centennial Committee 1/2011)
mjesse
Registered User
Coug Dad
Platinum Member
Thank goodness my Easy Bake Oven is safe!mjesse said:
mjesse
Registered User
They've actually done away with the bulb specifically because of this issue.Coug Dad said:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/09/easy-bake-oven-loses-light-bulb-gets-20-makeover/
http://www.centennialbulb.org/' rel="external nofollow">
mj
Keystone
SAWHORSE
If alternative lighting products are superior in longevity, long term price, visiblity, etc, etc, etc, than the incandesant bulb should disappear under its own faults shouldn't it. Ben must be rolling over about now.
righter101
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I have followed the evolution of lightbulbs. I purchased 2 expensive LED's a while ago, just to try them out and compare, and maybe give assistance to those companies working to make alternative lightbulbs more affordable.
They are decent. They work better as an indirect light, pointing up in a sconce.
The price point is, IMHO, too big of a hurdle to get over. I like the non-mercury aspect of the LED's. One word of caution on LED's, they are heavy. I put one in my desk lamp at work and it sags beacuse of the weight.
I have seen some new CFL's that are inside a flood light case for use in recessed cans. I am going to try those out. 10 bucks each.
Its tough to convince someone to spend 10-50 dollars on a lightbulb, even though you can show them saving money over the long haul, when they can buy incandescant for less than a buck.
Anyway I agree though that some applications of incandescants can never be replaced. Oven lamps, fridge bulbs. CFLS seem to perform poorly in cold weather.
And speaking of over reaching government regulation, I am forming a political action group to REVERSE THE LAWN DART BAN!!!!
They are decent. They work better as an indirect light, pointing up in a sconce.
The price point is, IMHO, too big of a hurdle to get over. I like the non-mercury aspect of the LED's. One word of caution on LED's, they are heavy. I put one in my desk lamp at work and it sags beacuse of the weight.
I have seen some new CFL's that are inside a flood light case for use in recessed cans. I am going to try those out. 10 bucks each.
Its tough to convince someone to spend 10-50 dollars on a lightbulb, even though you can show them saving money over the long haul, when they can buy incandescant for less than a buck.
Anyway I agree though that some applications of incandescants can never be replaced. Oven lamps, fridge bulbs. CFLS seem to perform poorly in cold weather.
And speaking of over reaching government regulation, I am forming a political action group to REVERSE THE LAWN DART BAN!!!!
mjesse
Registered User
Where do I send my check? Long live Jarts!!righter101 said:
mj
JBI
Registered User
You haven't lived unless you've been beaned by a stray Jart at some point in time.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
It depends where you are, many places here in canada CF bulbs will save little to no money because of the increase of heating costs. Yes it sounds crazy, but Canada Mortgage and Housing Commission tested two identical houses side by side and it showed little advantage in price over the long term.righter101 said:
mark handler
SAWHORSE
Preparation for EISA’s Final Phase
With the final and most transformative phase of EISA effective Jan. 1, 2014, how can you help yourself and your customers prepare?
http://www.residentiallighting.com/preparation-eisa%E2%80%99s-final-phase#!
The final stage of EISA, which will eliminate production of traditional 60W and 40W incandescents beginning Jan. 1, 2014, is quickly approaching. Although we’ve been through these phase-outs twice before, this one will be the biggest and most troublesome for consumers because well over half of the bulbs used today fall into this category.
“This will be a big deal,” says the American Lighting Assn. Director of Engineering and Technology Terry McGowan. “Something is going to happen here that we haven’t gone through before and the lighting industry will have to come up with answers that are easy to find and easy to understand, more so than ever before.”
Consumers will see this change in a big way. A majority of people prefer the warm light of an incandescent and the price point to match, so the number of choices now available to them will lead to substantial confusion, McGowan predicts.
As recently as this fall, retailers were still voicing concerns about the availability of support resources from manufacturers to help them guide consumers through the plethora of new bulb options. While many of the major bulb manufacturers offer at least some type of downloadable educational or marketing material (see below), it will be a learning process for all involved.
California, which adopted EISA’s phase-outs one year earlier than the rest of the country, has already eliminated 60W and 40W incandescent production. And now, with the California Quality LED Lamp Specification that allows LED bulbs to qualify for incentives and rebates if they meet specific performance requirements, residential LED adoption should continue to increase.
“This standard may be a bellwether for the rest of the country because it will give premium products that have better performance an edge,” McGowan says.
Michael Siminovitch, Professor and Rosenfeld chair at the University of California, Davis and a key member of the team that developed this specification, says that the central issue in this whole process is providing the best quality of light, not just one that is most energy-efficient.
“In our country’s pursuit of energy-efficiency we’ve kind of thrown the consumer under the bus,” he explains. “The main point is that we need to develop regulatory processes, educational programs and other efforts that support the consumer and the industry in making that happen.”
With the final and most transformative phase of EISA effective Jan. 1, 2014, how can you help yourself and your customers prepare?
http://www.residentiallighting.com/preparation-eisa%E2%80%99s-final-phase#!
The final stage of EISA, which will eliminate production of traditional 60W and 40W incandescents beginning Jan. 1, 2014, is quickly approaching. Although we’ve been through these phase-outs twice before, this one will be the biggest and most troublesome for consumers because well over half of the bulbs used today fall into this category.
“This will be a big deal,” says the American Lighting Assn. Director of Engineering and Technology Terry McGowan. “Something is going to happen here that we haven’t gone through before and the lighting industry will have to come up with answers that are easy to find and easy to understand, more so than ever before.”
Consumers will see this change in a big way. A majority of people prefer the warm light of an incandescent and the price point to match, so the number of choices now available to them will lead to substantial confusion, McGowan predicts.
As recently as this fall, retailers were still voicing concerns about the availability of support resources from manufacturers to help them guide consumers through the plethora of new bulb options. While many of the major bulb manufacturers offer at least some type of downloadable educational or marketing material (see below), it will be a learning process for all involved.
California, which adopted EISA’s phase-outs one year earlier than the rest of the country, has already eliminated 60W and 40W incandescent production. And now, with the California Quality LED Lamp Specification that allows LED bulbs to qualify for incentives and rebates if they meet specific performance requirements, residential LED adoption should continue to increase.
“This standard may be a bellwether for the rest of the country because it will give premium products that have better performance an edge,” McGowan says.
Michael Siminovitch, Professor and Rosenfeld chair at the University of California, Davis and a key member of the team that developed this specification, says that the central issue in this whole process is providing the best quality of light, not just one that is most energy-efficient.
“In our country’s pursuit of energy-efficiency we’ve kind of thrown the consumer under the bus,” he explains. “The main point is that we need to develop regulatory processes, educational programs and other efforts that support the consumer and the industry in making that happen.”
ICE
Oh Well
You know that you live in an enlightened society when you can't buy a light bulb.
mark handler
SAWHORSE
you mean an incandescent bulb.
You can still buy high efficacy bulbs/ LED/Fluorescent....Ie, Smarter light bulbs....and more expensive
You can still buy high efficacy bulbs/ LED/Fluorescent....Ie, Smarter light bulbs....and more expensive
conarb
Registered User
There is now a problem with disposal of the CFLs, I was in a large lighting store recently, there was a sign on the door telling people where to recycle florescent lights, it said "Tube lights only, no squiggly CFLs."
mark handler
SAWHORSE
My local Home Depot, accepts them, but probably throws them out....conarb said:
MASSDRIVER
Registered User
Just helping China, that's all.
For anybody thinking they are helping the environment, or saving energy in any way, just think about this.
How much additional energy does it take to manufacture Fluorescent or LED?
How much additional fuel does it take to not only ship them over the worlds largest ocean, but then redistribute them from port?
What are the environmental implications in the other part of the world where they are being made?
What are the hazards to the people making them?
Probably should just keep the old bulbs.
As usual, American politicians, and populace in general, can only consider what is local. In the same way the Toyota Prius has been exposed as an environmental and energy waste, we will also find this to be true with LED's
No money will be saved, and as with the solar debacle, you have to subsidize the industry to make it feasible.
Ridiculous.
Brent.
For anybody thinking they are helping the environment, or saving energy in any way, just think about this.
How much additional energy does it take to manufacture Fluorescent or LED?
How much additional fuel does it take to not only ship them over the worlds largest ocean, but then redistribute them from port?
What are the environmental implications in the other part of the world where they are being made?
What are the hazards to the people making them?
Probably should just keep the old bulbs.
As usual, American politicians, and populace in general, can only consider what is local. In the same way the Toyota Prius has been exposed as an environmental and energy waste, we will also find this to be true with LED's
No money will be saved, and as with the solar debacle, you have to subsidize the industry to make it feasible.
Ridiculous.
Brent.
mark handler
SAWHORSE
By the way just so everyone knows it was Former Republican President George W. Bush that approved these regulations as a condition of an energy bill he signed into law in 2007.
MASSDRIVER
Registered User
Let's not forget his dad gave us the Ada.
They were no friends of the small unobtrusive government philosophy.
Brent
They were no friends of the small unobtrusive government philosophy.
Brent