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Is my inspector/building department crazy

CEM_EIT

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Ok to start some info on the project:

Colorado
Construction Type: VA
3 Story, wood framed
Occupancy Classification: R-2
Sprinkler system: NFPA 13R per 903.3.1.2 throughout
DOEZeroH

"420.2 Separation walls. Walls separating dwelling units in the same building, walls separatingsleeping units in the same building and walls separating dwelling or sleeping units from otheroccupancies contiguous to them in the same building shall be constructed as fire partitions inaccordance with Section 708.420.3 Horizontal separation. Floor assemblies separating dwelling units in the same buildings,floor assemblies sepa-rating sleeping units in the same building and floor assembliesseparating dwelling or sleeping units from other occupancies contiguous to them in the samebuilding shall be constructed as horizontal assemblies in accordance with Section 711.420.4 Automatic sprinkler system. Group R occupancies shall be equipped throughout with anautomatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.2.8"

Walking final inspections with county inspector for this apartment building as the GC. There is a utility closet or "colorado closet" that has an unrated drop ceiling for housing duct connections to a an ERV. Inspector says he wants us to caulk (with like bathroom caulk not UL intumescent) around a supply grill in the parition wall inside the drop ceiling (see red circles in plan pics). When I challenge why this would fail a final building inspection for the unit he says the code says drafstopping is needed and that they can consider the concealed space part of the fire rated ceiling assembly.

I am I wrong to think this is crazy? like making up code? the wall has no design and rating, its studs and drywall. The UL listed floor truss ceiling assembly is continuous across the ceiling as seen in the framing connection details below.

I think it would be insane to cut drywall anywhere to get caulk around a supply grill for no reason. Anyone able to justfy this? It might hold up certifgicate of occupany and cost us money in punch repairs. I want to argue but some want to just comply as not to poke the bear in the BD. We have air leakage requirements in the IECC, but we already passed a blower door test and that concealed mechanical space is part of the apartment unit envelope anyway.

someone talk me off the ledge here, job schedule is tight





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Hard to tell without seeing it in person, but my guess is he is referring to fireblocking in concealed spaces, which is required in all combustible concealed spaces, rated or not.
 
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2021 IBC SECTION 718​

CONCEALED SPACES​

718.1 General.

Fireblockingand draftstopping shall be installed in combustible concealed locations in accordance with this section. Fireblockingshall comply with Section 718.2. Draftstopping in floor/ceiling spaces and attic spaces shall comply with Sections 718.3 and 718.4, respectively. The permitted use of combustible materials in concealed spaces of buildings of Type I or II construction shall be limited to the applications indicated in Section 718.5.​

718.2 Fireblocking.​

In combustible construction, fireblocking shall be installed to cut off concealed draft openings (both vertical and horizontal) and shall form an effective barrier between floors, between a top story and a roof or attic space. Fireblocking shall be installed in the locations specified in Sections 718.2.2 through 718.2.7.

2021 IBC​

714.6 Nonfire-resistance-rated assemblies.​

Penetrations of nonfire-resistance-rated floor or floor/ceiling assemblies or the ceiling membrane of a nonfire-resistance-rated roof/ceiling assembly shall meet the requirements of Section 713 or shall comply with Section 714.6.1 or 714.6.2.

714.6.1 Noncombustible penetrating items.​

Noncombustible penetrating items that connect not more than five stories are permitted, provided that the annular space is filled to resist the free passage of flame and the products of combustion with an approved noncombustible material or with a fill, void or cavity material that is tested and classified for use in through-penetration firestop systems.

714.6.2 Penetrating items.​

Penetrating items that connect not more than two stories are permitted, provided that the annular space is filled with an approved material to resist the free passage of flame and the products of combustion.
 

2021 IBC SECTION 718​

CONCEALED SPACES​

718.1 General.

Fireblockingand draftstopping shall be installed in combustible concealed locations in accordance with this section. Fireblockingshall comply with Section 718.2. Draftstopping in floor/ceiling spaces and attic spaces shall comply with Sections 718.3 and 718.4, respectively. The permitted use of combustible materials in concealed spaces of buildings of Type I or II construction shall be limited to the applications indicated in Section 718.5.​

718.2 Fireblocking.​

In combustible construction, fireblocking shall be installed to cut off concealed draft openings (both vertical and horizontal) and shall form an effective barrier between floors, between a top story and a roof or attic space. Fireblocking shall be installed in the locations specified in Sections 718.2.2 through 718.2.7.

2021 IBC​

714.6 Nonfire-resistance-rated assemblies.​

Penetrations of nonfire-resistance-rated floor or floor/ceiling assemblies or the ceiling membrane of a nonfire-resistance-rated roof/ceiling assembly shall meet the requirements of Section 713 or shall comply with Section 714.6.1 or 714.6.2.

714.6.1 Noncombustible penetrating items.​

Noncombustible penetrating items that connect not more than five stories are permitted, provided that the annular space is filled to resist the free passage of flame and the products of combustion with an approved noncombustible material or with a fill, void or cavity material that is tested and classified for use in through-penetration firestop systems.

714.6.2 Penetrating items.​

Penetrating items that connect not more than two stories are permitted, provided that the annular space is filled with an approved material to resist the free passage of flame and the products of combustion.
I don’t think that this applies.
 
Is it a fire rated corridor? I don't necessarily think it is or that the penetration needs to be rated, but that could be it? Or maybe he is just trying to get to smoke tight? Not that that is required for corridors that are not rated either....Ask for a code section...
 
Thanks for the replys, AOR agrees with us that this is not required. The ceiling of this closet could be demolished and the duct run to the wall could be exposed as the fire rated assembly is above it. There is draftstopping in the concealed truss space above the "real" ceiling. We are goning to try to fight this with an RFI from the design team. I'll update....
 
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