Well if the city can decide that ypu are allowed just one kitchen, I reckon that they get to decide what is a kitchen. Out of curiosity, whom would you prefer make the judgement?
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Yankee Chronicler
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So your solution is to allow the zoning code (or some zoning official) to decide what the building code does or doesn't consider to be a kitchen?
That wouldn't fly in this state. 2021 IRC:
That wouldn't fly in this state. 2021 IRC:
RB] KITCHEN. An area used, or designated to be used, for
the preparation of food.
An anemic definition if there ever was one. This why some jurisdictions call every back yard BBQ a kitchen. With that definition I could dress a deer in the back yard and call it a kitchen. Of course it does mask any attempt at using common sense.
the preparation of food.
An anemic definition if there ever was one. This why some jurisdictions call every back yard BBQ a kitchen. With that definition I could dress a deer in the back yard and call it a kitchen. Of course it does mask any attempt at using common sense.
steveray
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YES..and may be required....
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Inspector Gadget
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The Code hasn’t yet figured out what is a bedroom. The patio that I posted is one extreme that is not a kitchen and in Florida, if you tear open a package of Fig Newtons, you’re in a kitchen.
steveray
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wwhitney
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As well as all laundry areas, item (10) on the same list in 210.8(A) of the 2020 NEC. This was a change from the 2017 NEC, where 210.8(A) was limited to 15A and 20A receptacles. No more
Cheers, Wayne
Wayne,
I picked up on that change NEC 2020 but not seeing the electricians protecting that 240V dryer circuit. (125-volt through 250-volt). Residential dryers fall in this range typically at 240V.
Are we seeing push back or compliance?
I picked up on that change NEC 2020 but not seeing the electricians protecting that 240V dryer circuit. (125-volt through 250-volt). Residential dryers fall in this range typically at 240V.
Are we seeing push back or compliance?
Do they?
Dryers?
I got compliance pretty easy on the dryer circuit, it was the A/C condenser and later the ovens and ranges that got pushback - because they trip GFCI's because of high-frequency leakage currents that cannot be fixed in the field except by removing the GFCI protection.
I have not heard any trouble on the dryer circuit being GFCI protected.
wwhitney
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The dryer receptacle (which is 250V nominal, on a 240V nominal branch circuit) requires GFCI protection under 2020 NEC 210.8(A). So it sounds like you're seeing contractors and/or inspectors not being up to date on the 2020 NEC change.
Cheers, Wayne
steveray
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yep
mark handler
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weather-proof or weather-resistant electrical outlet REQUIRED for outdoor use.
mark handler
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steveray
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And the cover flaps per 406.9....Or the bubble cover...
mark handler
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steveray
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It goes through the soffit and out the gooseneck/ weather head to preheat the electricity before it comes into the house...
mark handler
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The vent pipe also looks pinched at the top?
mtlogcabin
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I do not recall ever seeing a washer or dryer that is listed for outdoor use
Over the years, I encountered a few dozen outdoor laundries. I even came across a commercial operation in a back yard that had multiple washers and dryers. So if I, as a single inspector, ran into that many, there must be a bunch of it out there. I have never heard of someone getting electrocuted.