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Marijuana grow operations and mechanical ventilation

Mark K

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I seem to remember hearing about a bill in congress to allow VA doctors to "prescribe" marijuana for VA patients. What happened to the bill?

I think that many in the federal government appreciate that the current laws do not make sense.
 

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Better swim fast or you'll sink like a stone. Cuz these times they are a changing.
 

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Mark K said:
I seem to remember hearing about a bill in congress to allow VA doctors to "prescribe" marijuana for VA patients. What happened to the bill? I think that many in the federal government appreciate that the current laws do not make sense.
I've heard that the only valid medical usages are to increase appetite in patients who need it and reduce eye pressure for glaucoma patients, I have glaucoma and 30+ years of treatments have failed, the last resort was a new young doctor and I asked him if marijuana works, he said: "Yes, but the problem is that you have to constantly take it 24 hours per day and you would be constantly stoned, with all eye drops they are designed to stay on the eyeballs for a number of hours, if I did proscribe it for someone who wanted it I would have to notify the DMV that the patient's driver's license should be suspended during the time of treatment". I also told him that I have read that it decreased IQ by an average of 8 points after a year's usage, he replied that it decreases IQ much more than 8 points, but the worst side effect is that it destroys ambition in users.

I've also read that it is the biggest single consumer of water here in California, and grow houses are the biggest consumer of electricity, you guys are enforcing laws to limit toilet flushes and showers, you are also enforcing laws requiring buildings to be insulated and sealed up while you let the marijuana industry run wild.
 

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You need to visit another doctor. There are products that will relieve ocular pressure without the stone.
 

conarb

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JPohling said:
You need to visit another doctor. There are products that will relieve ocular pressure without the stone.
It's inherited, my sister lives in La Jolla and goes to one of the two top California glaucoma specialists there, the other is here in San Francisco and I've gone to him, the two have communicated passing eye pictures back and forth, the latest attempt was a new laser that I have tried, the old laser didn't work on blue eyed people and failed on me, this new one is supposed to be 86% effective on blue eyed people, it did a little good and I guess they'll keep trying it about once a year. If you are referring to Marinol it does cause a "high" feeling, I can't stand that feeling, I took Sudafed once for a cold and about went crazy until that high effect wore off.
 

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The Feds are still arresting them even though the Obama Administration has made it a low priority.

[QUOTE='Washington Beacon]The New York Daily News reported that David Silverstone was slapped with two felony charges after investigators raided his farm in Redwood Valley on July 21. Bergdahl, who was visiting when the raid occurred, was interviewed by investigators as a witness before being cleared of any wrongdoing.Authorities charged Silverstone with marijuana cultivation and possession for sale and are holding him on a $25,000 bond.

Upon discovering the illegal pot growing operation, members of a drug task force led by Mendocino County Sheriff Thomas Allman arrested multiple individuals and seized 181 marijuana plants in the raid.

Following his interaction with Bergdahl, Allman described the POW as “very polite” though insisted that he wouldn’t “stick up” for him.

“I’m not sticking up for the guy at all, but I will say this, he was very polite,” the sheriff said. “He was not resistant at all. He shook everybody’s hand. He thanked us all.”

Captured by the Taliban, Bergdahl has been the subject of controversy since the Obama administration traded five terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for his freedom in 2014. He is currently on active duty in Texas, awaiting trial for his desertion case.¹

[/QUOTE]So if you are called to inspect go ahead and turn them in, who knows what they will turn up and how many lives you might save from DUI and other causes like impaired construction workers doing faulty work, in my day the biggest problem was booze, now it's pot.

¹ http://freebeacon.com/culture/brother-of-placenta-eating-alicia-silverstone-smoked-in-bowe-bergdahl-pot-raid/
 

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[h=2]TUESDAY, MARCH 15, 2011[/h][h=3]Feds explain medical marijuana busts[/h][h=4]POSTED BY MATTHEW FRANK ON TUE, MAR 15, 2011 AT 3:55 PM[/h]According to Montana's U.S. attorney, Monday's medical marijuana raids—the culmination of an 18-month multi-agency investigation—did not target individuals "who are in clear and unambiguous compliance with state law." Find the press release below. Download it here(PDF).





FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



March 15, 2011Contact:



Victoria L. Francis



Assistant U.S. Attorney



District of Montana



(406) 247- 4633



THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE DISTRICT OF MONTANA ANNOUNCES THE EXECUTION OF 26 CRIMINAL SEARCH WARRANTS AND 4 CIVIL SEIZURE WARRANTS IN MONTANA.



The United States Attorney for the District of Montana, Michael W. Cotter, announced today the culmination of a 18-month multi-agency investigation into the drug trafficking activities of criminal enterprises operating throughout the State of Montana. In furtherance of that investigation, a total of 26 criminal search warrants were executed on March 14, 2011, at premises in the following communities: Belgrade, Big Sky, Billings, Bozeman, Columbia Falls, Dillon, Great Falls, Helena, Kalispell, Miles City, Missoula, Olney and Whitefish. Items seized by law enforcement may be disclosed after search warrant returns are filed with the United States District Court.



In addition, Civil Seizure Warrants for financial institutions in Bozeman, Helena, and Kalispell seeking up to $4,000,000 were executed.



Search warrants and civil seizure warrants were issued based on judicial findings that probable cause exists to believe that the premises located in thirteen Montana towns are involved in criminal enterprises that have violated the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) related to marijuana, a Schedule I controlled substance. Specifically, it is alleged in the search warrants, civil seizure warrants and related documents that the premises or property identified were involved in some or all of the following violations of federal law: manufacture of marijuana and possession with intent to distribute marijuana, and distribution of marijuana in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 841, conspiracy to commit the offenses of manufacture of marijuana, possession with intent to distribute marijuana and distribution of marijuana in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 846, structuring or assisting in structuring any transaction to evade currency reporting requirements or causing or attempting to cause a domestic financial institution to fail to file Currency Transaction Reports in violation of 31 U.S.C. §§ 5324(a)(1) and (3).



Congress placed marijuana in Schedule I of the CSA. Under federal law, growing, distributing and possessing marijuana (other than in a federally authorized research program) is a violation of the CSA. A substance listed under Schedule I has: (a) a high potential for abuse, (b) no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and © a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision. Because of the danger posed by Schedule I substances, the Department of Justice continues to focus its enforcement and investigative efforts in targeting large-scale drug organizations that cultivate, manufacture, distribute, or sell marijuana.



United States Attorney Cotter said that “Twenty-six search warrants were carried out yesterday where there is probable cause that the premises were involved in illegal and large-scale trafficking of marijuana. When criminal networks violate federal laws those involved will be prosecuted."





Individuals with illnesses who are in clear and unambiguous compliance with state law are not the focus of this investigation.



The following federal, state and local law enforcement agencies participated in the execution of the search warrants and the seizure of the civil assets at multiple locations across the state of Montana: the Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations, the Internal Revenue Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Environmental Protection Agency-Criminal Investigation Division, U.S. Customs and Border Protection-Border Patrol, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. These federal agencies were assisted by the Montana Division of Criminal Investigations, and local High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area task forces, the Northwest Drug Task Force, the Kalispell Police Department, the Flathead County Sheriff’s Office, the Missoula Police Department, the Missoula County Sheriff’s Office, the Missoula High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Task Force, the Great Falls Police Department, the Cascade County Sheriff’s Office, the Central Montana Drug Task Force, the Billings Police Department, the Yellowstone County Sheriff’s Office, the Eastern Montana High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Task Force, the Dillon Police Department, the Beaverhead County Sheriff’s Office, the Park County Sheriff’s Office, the Bozeman Police Department, the Gallatin County Sheriff’s Office, the Missouri River Drug Task Force, the Helena Police Department, the Lewis & Clark Sheriff’s Office, and the Eastern Montana Drug Task Force - Miles City.



The information contained in the search warrants, civil seizure warrants and related documents are based on the information discovered during the course of ongoing investigations. To date, no federal criminal charges, indictments, informations or complaints have been filed against any of the named individuals identified in the search warrants, civil seizure warrants and related documents. All named individuals and locations identified in the search warrants, civil seizure warrants and related documents are presumed innocent until proven guilty.















 

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When the growers dump their fertilizers down into the sanitary sewer and it winds up in the treatment plant screwing up all the little micro bugs that are used to treat the sewage it is a big problem. Public works was able to follow the trail right back to the specific location of where the growing operations where taking place. Some thing your powers to be may not have thought of and the cost that are associated with it if it happens in your systems
 

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There sure is a lot of "I heard, someone told me, I read somewhere" in this thread.

I bet all ya'll have 4 foot tall bongs with their own personal names, telling your kids it's mommy' flower vase.

Brent.
 

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mtlogcabin said:
When the growers dump their fertilizers down into the sanitary sewer and it winds up in the treatment plant screwing up all the little micro bugs that are used to treat the sewage it is a big problem. Public works was able to follow the trail right back to the specific location of where the growing operations where taking place. Some thing your powers to be may not have thought of and the cost that are associated with it if it happens in your systems
Were they Happy micro bugs???
 

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"I bet all ya'll have 4 foot tall bongs with their own personal names, telling your kids it's mommy' flower vase."
...he said sitting there on his sack of seeds [ RE: Jim Stafford' song - "Wildwood Weed" ]. :lol:

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Coder

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mtlogcabin said:
When the growers dump their fertilizers down into the sanitary sewer and it winds up in the treatment plant screwing up all the little micro bugs that are used to treat the sewage it is a big problem. Public works was able to follow the trail right back to the specific location of where the growing operations where taking place. Some thing your powers to be may not have thought of and the cost that are associated with it if it happens in your systems
Here is the language regarding wastewater in our ordinance

1. Sewer System Discharge.

a. Wastewater discharged from a marijuana licensed cultivation or manufacturing establishment is subject to city regulations (Municipal Code, 12.10.040.2, et al.) established to ensure that industrial wastewater discharge complies with state and federal regulations prior to the actual connection to the city’s wastewater facilities.

b. Testing Requirements. The Public Works Director may order a wastewater discharge inspection without notice, and all costs for city ordered inspections and reports shall be the responsibility of the licensed marijuana product manufacturing or cultivation establishment. The licensed marijuana product manufacturing or cultivation establishment shall pay all costs for related inspections and reports established by an independent testing laboratory acceptable to the Public Works Director.

:mrgreen:
 

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Not sure if you are serious or not but these grow operations are anything but like a greenhouse full of vegatables. They are "highly" controlled cultivation areas with elaborate systems to create the perfect plants. The odiferous emanations are likened to that of a sweet skunky road kill that has had time to fester in the sun. Others say that its pungent aroma is like a savory flower of goodness. Depends on who you talk to. :-D The point being I have to "approve" their odor control devices. The "testing" facilitys are like laboratories that determine how much THC the products have in them. I imagine they aren't there passing the joint around saying "that's some good **** mannn"
comes down to who its neighbors are.
 

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Not sure if you are serious or not but these grow operations are anything but like a greenhouse full of vegatables(review). They are "highly" controlled cultivation areas with elaborate systems to create the perfect plants. The odiferous emanations are likened to that of a sweet skunky road kill that has had time to fester in the sun. Others say that its pungent aroma is like a savory flower of goodness. Depends on who you talk to. :-D The point being I have to "approve" their odor control devices. The "testing" facilitys are like laboratories that determine how much THC the products have in them. I imagine they aren't there passing the joint around saying "that's some good **** mannn"
Time passes and nothing changes. How is that now?
 

Mark K

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What is the criteria for approval of method or odor removal? Are there some objective tests for determining when the odor is excessive?

Do you have an enforceable regulation addressing anything not in the IMC?

The state may have something to say about who can design the mechanical system. In California a licensed mechanical contractor can design a system that he installs without needing signoff by a registered mechanical engineer.
 
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