1. Welcome to the new and improved Building Code Forum. We appreciate you being here and hope that you are getting the information that you need concerning all codes of the building trades. This is a free forum to the public due to the generosity of the Sawhorses, Corporate Supporters and Supporters who have upgraded their accounts. If you would like to have improved access to the forum please upgrade to Sawhorse by clicking here: Upgrades
    Dismiss Notice

Military Base Building

Discussion in 'Building Designers' started by Estimator1995, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Estimator1995

    Estimator1995 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2019
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm getting an estimate together for a design / build project on a military base. This building is an instructional facility and has classrooms that are 32' x 38', each with 1 door that exits to the outside and 1 door that exits to an interior hallway. Do these classrooms require exit signs at both doors, 1 door or not at all? I've seen plans of schools that have exits signs in the classroom and some that don't.
    I appreciate any answers.
     
  2. DMartin

    DMartin Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2019
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    3
    My opinion is for sure that there should be exit sign above the door to the outdoors. What is the OCC load design for the room? I would think the exit sign for the other side would be in the hallway if it is an egress path. Not enough info to read much more into it. The only thing I could see that would allow none is if it was a main entrance that is obvious that it is an exit PER IBC 2012 1013.1 Ex.2 but it states the is up to the building official to agree.
     
  3. cda

    cda Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    16,453
    Likes Received:
    1,050
    Welcome
     
  4. cda

    cda Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    16,453
    Likes Received:
    1,050
    There are some people on the forum that do Fed work.

    My vote is both doors

    Along with emergency lighting

    Along with emergency light outside the door to the outside.
     
  5. north star

    north star Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,782
    Likes Received:
    256
    @ ~ @ ~ @

    Estimator1995,


    Welcome to The Building Codes Forum !

    What Codes \ Standards are the Primary Design
    Codes \ Standards applicable to this project
    [ i.e. - possibly UFC 3_350_01 - Interior, Exterior
    Lighting & Controls, ...UFC 1_200_01 - General
    Bldg. requirements and other UFC's ] ?


    @ ~ @ ~ @
     
  6. DMartin

    DMartin Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2019
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    3
    Do military bases have their own inspectors? I know that the port authority does?
     
  7. north star

    north star Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,782
    Likes Received:
    256
    @ ~ # ~ @
    Depends on how much money is available
    for the project, and how the contracts are written.


    @ ~ # ~ @
     
  8. Paul Sweet

    Paul Sweet Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,126
    Likes Received:
    170
    32' x 38' = 1216 SF = 61 occupants at 20 SF per occupant.

    IBC requires 2 doors for rooms with over 50 occupants. Both doors have to swing out and have exit signs and emergency lighting.
     
  9. Mark K

    Mark K Platinum Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,496
    Likes Received:
    127
    Buildings owned by the Federal Government are not subject to laws or regulations adopted by state or local jurisdictions.. There is an executive order that requires the military and other federal agencies to comply with certain model codes but that need to comply is more like a contractual obligation.

    Because there is no law imposing a building code any plan checking or inspections are subject to the policies of the federal agency. Port authorities which are state entities are a different matter.

    Privately owned buildings located on federal property are subject to the laws of the state or local jurisdiction where the building is located.
     
  10. Paul Sweet

    Paul Sweet Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,126
    Likes Received:
    170
  11. Estimator1995

    Estimator1995 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2019
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank you all for your answers. Both doors and emergency lighting it is then.

    Thanks again.
     
  12. ADAguy

    ADAguy Sawhorse

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2013
    Messages:
    3,652
    Likes Received:
    336
    Is the building to be sprinklered? Access to restrooms? raised or slab foundation?
     
  13. Sleepy

    Sleepy Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2017
    Messages:
    96
    Likes Received:
    47
    Paul Sweet is correct, NFPA 101-2018 would be the code. Means of egress marking requirements vary depending on the occupancy, but generally para. 7.10 is invoked which requires exits (meaning exit doors) "other than main exterior exit doors that obviously and clearly are identifiable as exits" to have a sign. There are differing requirements for exit access doors (signs required if "not readily apparent to the occupants"), tactile signage, and floor proximity signs. The door swing direction would depend on the occupant load and occupancy.
     

Share This Page