Minimum bar top overhang

[khsmith55]

Given an accessible space at "bar" seating, what would the minimum overhang be? I can't find any requirement in ANSI A117 but I'm leaning towards 17" based on that required for the "use" of a drinking fountain. Any help or direction is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[mark handler]

 

[ADAguy]

Thank you MH, good one!
Have more, proprietary or source of these illustrations?
Please.

 

[mark handler]

I have a lot, but you can just do a search on google images.....

 

[Yikes]

You do raise an interesting point. Bar "seating" is often not actually designed to be oriented facing forward with knee space. Even if you are not in a wheelchair, it is designed to compel you to sit "side saddle", or even just to stand.
In that case, would a 48" wide side approach wheelchair space (no knee space) at a 34" high bar counter be equivalent facilitation?

 

[JBI]

That is an interesting point, considering one advantage (and possible reason) for the high bar top is to provide some security to the bartenders...

 

[ADAguy]

security from what? (smiling)

 

[khsmith55]

Looking at the ANSI A117 commentary, they recommend a minimum of 60" long to provide a "companion" seat at the same elevation. I would take this as an implication that they suggest a forward approach for two 30" wide spaces, one being "accessible, thoughts?

 

[ADAguy]

So, is it to be shoulder to shoulder or face to face when drinking together?
Theaters require alignment of shoulders with companions.

 

[JBI]

But if it's a motorized chair, can you cited for DWI?

 

[ADAguy]

Some have been.