moving 1/2" iron pipes?

[rktect 1]

So, what exactly do you do if an owner contacts you stating that their neighbor has moved the iron pipes that marked their property lines? Seems like a civil matter to me.

 

[mtlogcabin]

Tell them to call an attorney

 

[fatboy]

Yup, civil matter.

 

[classicT]

It is a civil matter. Contact an attorney and a licensed surveyor. If you can prove that they have done so, attorney may advise contacting the Police, as it may become a civil and criminal matter. Moving the property pins is tantamount to theft of property.

 

[ICE]

Put the pipes back where they were. Send the owner a certified letter that states that you are aware that he has moved the markers.

 

[No Soup for you]

In my opinion....

Not a Building Dept issue. Contact an attorney

 

[tbz]

Besides it being totally outside the preview of the building department and a civil matter and telling them get an attorney as others have stated,

The first question I would be wondering is, who moved them and why?

1. Did the next-door neighbor move them on their own
2. Did the next-door neighbor hire a surveyor and did that entity find an issue with the placement and corrected what they believed to be incorrect placement ?

These are just curiosity

But would not touch it or entertain any interest or authority level.

 

[atvjoel]

Put the pipes back where they were. Send the owner a certified letter that states that you are aware that he has moved the markers.

LOL. Surveyor here with 11 years of experience. I was on a Construction Site slope staking a Dam. Apparently a row of stakes I set got wiped out by a dozer and the laborer decided to "put them back in." I was called up later today saying how I blew a row of stakes and several thousands of yards of material were already placed and I screwed everything up. I went back to my stored shot and told the superintendent, this isnt where I set the stake, someone moved this. A laborer owned up to it and said "I put them back in." The superintendent screamed at everyone and said NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE SETS, OR MOVES A STAKE UNLESS THEY ARE A SURVEYOR! Lol.

To knowingly disturb a monument is a misdemeanor offence. Any person that pulls, moves, or destroys a monument knowingly is subject to criminal and financial impact of committing the crime. This is when you get a lawyer and put a Licensed Land Surveyor (expert witness) on retainer.

 

[atvjoel]

LOL. Surveyor here with 11 years of experience. I was on a Construction Site slope staking a Dam. Apparently a row of stakes I set got wiped out by a dozer and the laborer decided to "put them back in." I was called up later today saying how I blew a row of stakes and several thousands of yards of material were already placed and I screwed everything up. I went back to my stored shot and told the superintendent, this isnt where I set the stake, someone moved this. A laborer owned up to it and said "I put them back in." The superintendent screamed at everyone and said NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE SETS, OR MOVES A STAKE UNLESS THEY ARE A SURVEYOR! Lol.

To knowingly disturb a monument is a misdemeanor offence. Any person that pulls, moves, or destroys a monument knowingly is subject to criminal and financial impact of committing the crime. This is when you get a lawyer and put a Licensed Land Surveyor (expert witness) on retainer.

Later in the day, not *today*. I can't type.

 

[Genduct]

LOL. Surveyor here with 11 years of experience. I was on a Construction Site slope staking a Dam. Apparently a row of stakes I set got wiped out by a dozer and the laborer decided to "put them back in." I was called up later today saying how I blew a row of stakes and several thousands of yards of material were already placed and I screwed everything up. I went back to my stored shot and told the superintendent, this isnt where I set the stake, someone moved this. A laborer owned up to it and said "I put them back in." The superintendent screamed at everyone and said NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE SETS, OR MOVES A STAKE UNLESS THEY ARE A SURVEYOR! Lol.

To knowingly disturb a monument is a misdemeanor offence. Any person that pulls, moves, or destroys a monument knowingly is subject to criminal and financial impact of committing the crime. This is when you get a lawyer and put a Licensed Land Surveyor (expert witness) on retainer.

So Far, What Harm Has Been Done?

Perhaps, since the Neighbor has made obscure where the Property Line is, the Complaining Neighbor needs to begin to encroach on the now questionable property line and get the offending Neighbor to pay the Surveyor to re-establish the point

 

[atvjoel]

So Far, What Harm Has Been Done?

Perhaps, since the Neighbor has made obscure where the Property Line is, the Complaining Neighbor needs to begin to encroach on the now questionable property line and get the offending Neighbor to pay the Surveyor to re-establish the point

In CA if you set a corner as a Land Surveyor you have to also file a Record of Survey with the County Land Surveyor and goes through a review process. County fees alone are usually about $500-$1k thats exluding the private Surveyor fees. In CA we START at $4,500 for a Boundary Survey plus County fees. Two arguing neighbors have a hard time caughing up a significant amount of cash. Most Surveyors in CA wont return your call if you want a Boundary Survey, especially a dispute.

In Arizona we usually charge around $2,400 because there is no review process in Maricopa County you just file the Survey.

 

[atvjoel]

So Far, What Harm Has Been Done?

Perhaps, since the Neighbor has made obscure where the Property Line is, the Complaining Neighbor needs to begin to encroach on the now questionable property line and get the offending Neighbor to pay the Surveyor to re-establish the point

So to reply to that in CA that harm will cost someone several thousand dollars and several weeks of waiting for the Surveyor IF you can get one to take on your Boundary. Deeded land in the woods could be $10k for a Boundary Survey. We wont touch a Boundary Survey in CA for less than $4,500 thats our base rate and goes up from there. Dealing with the County drives up the cost.
Arizona on an acre or less of land in platted subdivision I seem to land every job at $2,400 to set corners and file a survey. We are usually 3-4 weeks out for Boundary Surveys.

 

[ICE]

To knowingly disturb a monument is a misdemeanor offence. Any person that pulls, moves, or destroys a monument knowingly is subject to criminal and financial impact of committing the crime. This is when you get a lawyer and put a Licensed Land Surveyor (expert witness) on retainer.

Misdemeanors are not prosecuted....or even charged for most crimes and moving a monument falls in that category. The lawyer and surveyor will cost as much as my Tundra. Shirley only the wealthy among us get that upset.

 

[Genduct]

So to reply to that in CA that harm will cost someone several thousand dollars and several weeks of waiting for the Surveyor IF you can get one to take on your Boundary. Deeded land in the woods could be $10k for a Boundary Survey. We wont touch a Boundary Survey in CA for less than $4,500 thats our base rate and goes up from there. Dealing with the County drives up the cost.
Arizona on an acre or less of land in platted subdivision I seem to land every job at $2,400 to set corners and file a survey. We are usually 3-4 weeks out for Boundary Surveys.

WOW A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY
Of Course, this is a direct result of one of the neighbors

 

[atvjoel]

WOW A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY
Of Course, this is a direct result of one of the neighbors

Boundary Surveys are the LEAST paid in Surveying. Everyone thinks the Surveyor is cutting the fat hog because they dont understand Surveying. CA rates are higher for many reasons.

Lets take Deeded land for example. You go out tie into monumentation, calculate up the deeds nothing fits, you have overlap between deeds and junior and senior rights. Here comes a 2nd trip to get into peoples back yards inform them of your right of entry and in some cases getting police escort into those yards to search for old corners. Ok that 2nd trip finally shed some light on your boundary nightmare well done. You are ready to set the clients corners on the 3rd trip. Well the work doesnt stop there you have to draft up a pretty map showing record and measured showing all what you tied, and how you resolved the boundary, pay the County fees and the County Surveyor with nothing better to do sits there with their red pen and picks your survey apart sends back to you for redlines. You adress his concerns and sometimes there is yet another reviewer that also has comments and yet another set.

Finally that Survey is sent to the recorders with yet another fee and becomes public record

Those are the big bucks! License to print money for sure! Thats why there are so many getting into the profession! We are getting rich! Average Surveyor in CA is 67 years old its like a secret society of cash.

 

[atvjoel]

Misdemeanors are not prosecuted....or even charged for most crimes and moving a monument falls in that category. The lawyer and surveyor will cost as much as my Tundra. Shirley only the wealthy among us get that upset.

You are exactly right. Police wont do anything. If you paid for a Survey and you can prove the neighbor pulled the corner with physical proof then you have a case, but the amount of cash you flip out the juice isnt worth the squeeze. Also if a Surveyor already has the Boundary figured out its just a matter of setting the corner, maybe a half an hour to an hour in the field.

 

[Yikes]

When I was a little kid, the vacant 12 acres next door were surveyed and staked for grading. Of course I had no idea what it meant. All that my friends and I knew was that somebody had left a bunch of cool wooden ’swords’ in the ground with red ribbons on top. Of course we pulled them out and had a grand time play-acting medieval jousting, sword fights, pirates, etc.

But we were good kids, so we staked them back in the ground in roughly the same general area when we were done, figuring the surveyor would never know that we borrowed his swords.

 

[ICE]

so we staked them back in the ground in roughly the same general area

Imagine someone trying to make sense of the numbers.

 

[atvjoel]

When I was a little kid, the vacant 12 acres next door were surveyed and staked for grading. Of course I had no idea what it meant. All that my friends and I knew was that somebody had left a bunch of cool wooden ’swords’ in the ground with red ribbons on top. Of course we pulled them out and had a grand time play-acting medieval jousting, sword fights, pirates, etc.

But we were good kids, so we staked them back in the ground in roughly the same general area when we were done, figuring the surveyor would never know that we borrowed his swords.

HAHA! We have all done it! Is that a Fill or Cut George it dont look right, I recon its a Fill! Lookin kind of funny but ok. LOL!

 

[Genduct]

Boundary Surveys are the LEAST paid in Surveying. Everyone thinks the Surveyor is cutting the fat hog because they dont understand Surveying. CA rates are higher for many reasons.

Lets take Deeded land for example. You go out tie into monumentation, calculate up the deeds nothing fits, you have overlap between deeds and junior and senior rights. Here comes a 2nd trip to get into peoples back yards inform them of your right of entry and in some cases getting police escort into those yards to search for old corners. Ok that 2nd trip finally shed some light on your boundary nightmare well done. You are ready to set the clients corners on the 3rd trip. Well the work doesnt stop there you have to draft up a pretty map showing record and measured showing all what you tied, and how you resolved the boundary, pay the County fees and the County Surveyor with nothing better to do sits there with their red pen and picks your survey apart sends back to you for redlines. You adress his concerns and sometimes there is yet another reviewer that also has comments and yet another set.

Finally that Survey is sent to the recorders with yet another fee and becomes public record

Those are the big bucks! License to print money for sure! Thats why there are so many getting into the profession! We are getting rich! Average Surveyor in CA is 67 years old its like a secret society of cash.

POINT TAKEN!
My MOS was Artillery Field Surveyor / crossed trained as the FO (you know: left five zero, drop 200 FIRE FOR EFFECT With us it was more important to know your azimuth is VS here you were. Probable Error due to bad bearing produces more error than location diff. of the guns So my perspective is a little skewed vs you. So forgive me. Not really poking a sharp stick in your eye

 

[atvjoel]

POINT TAKEN!
My MOS was Artillery Field Surveyor / crossed trained as the FO (you know: left five zero, drop 200 FIRE FOR EFFECT With us it was more important to know your azimuth is VS here you were. Probable Error due to bad bearing produces more error than location diff. of the guns So my perspective is a little skewed vs you. So forgive me. Not really poking a sharp stick in your eye

Honestly that job is more important than our form of Surveying. I started my career out working with my dad on a jobsite doing something completely stupid taking a billion shots on an ADA ramp or something i cant remember and I said "dad this is *** stupid" He said "son, Surveying is **** stupid."

 

[Genduct]

Honestly that job is more important than our form of Surveying. I started my career out working with my dad on a jobsite doing something completely stupid taking a billion shots on an ADA ramp or something i cant remember and I said "dad this is *** stupid" He said "son, Surveying is **** stupid."

I am flattered by your response. Really No Big Deal Size 2 hat, Size 48 shirt Half Monkey , Half Donkey, Half Crazy
OPPS that's 1 and 1/2 see don't need to be good with Math either

Actually, doing the Routine stuff takes discipline because it is too easy to get lulled into complacency

Best, Mike