Occupancy loads added for outdoor tennis courts & pool

[Robert]

Companion thread to "Stories above grade plane".
Tennis club rebuild (CA). The ground floor is locker rooms with an OL of 50 sq./ft/per person and the gym is upstairs. However, the club has outdoor swim lessons of 6 kids at a time, plus parents viewing and there are 6 full size outdoor tennis courts. Conceivably these can all be going on at the same time. Should I add all of these individuals & spaces up to get the correct OL count of the ground floor locker rooms? Before the fire, the ground floor had one exit because of OL <50 and CPOT <75' (unsprinklered). Thanks.

 

[cda]

Are you asking should you add the outside occupant load to the inside??

Or is it know the outside occupant load,,, to determine locker room size or similar?

 

[TheCommish]

is the question of exiting capacity through the building?
need for available lockers?
or bathroom fixture count?

 

[Robert]

Yes all of the above. Do I add the outdoor occupants to the interior since they will most likely be using the lockers and lounge. Same applies to the plumbing fixture counts and exiting....need to get the correct occupant load. Thanks.

 

[TheCommish]

is the question of exiting capacity through the building? then count al the persons that may exit through the building, like an outdoor patio, that only exits through the restaurant.

need for available lockers? provide sufficient locker space for all the customers

or bathroom fixture count? provided the fixture count base to the total occupant load, a multi-purpose room that has different occupant count based on arrangement needs to provide the fixtures based on the highest load. Think of an exhibit hall that has booths and milling people, or a banquet, then used as an graduation hall with seating

 

[Robert]

Thank you. The exiting of the pool occupants and tennis courts do not have to go through the building to exit. The are exterior and have their own exit paths. But they might use the building's locker room and possibly the lounge after, so I'm not sure if I should add them to the OL. If all the tennis courts and all 6 kids in swim lessons (plus their parents) are there at the same time (highly unlikely), that would add 24 people to the OL which would then require a second exit and more plumbing fixtures. Worst case scenario I guess.

 

[mtlogcabin]

more plumbing fixtures only IMHO

 

[Enri Code]

Thank you. The exiting of the pool occupants and tennis courts do not have to go through the building to exit. The are exterior and have their own exit paths. But they might use the building's locker room and possibly the lounge after, so I'm not sure if I should add them to the OL. If all the tennis courts and all 6 kids in swim lessons (plus their parents) are there at the same time (highly unlikely), that would add 24 people to the OL which would then require a second exit and more plumbing fixtures. Worst case scenario I guess.

We can probably assume with a high degree of certainty that people who will use the tennis courts and the swimming pool will have a need to use the lockers and the lounge.
The key here is though is the word "assume" and also your own words that they "might use" the locker and lounge and that you are "not sure" if you need to add them to the OL.
That implies that there are things you can confirm or have a better understanding of with your client and with conversations with the people who have operated or will operate the tennis club.
Talk to your client or the stakeholders and get these squared away. It will help you a lot.
Codes are just a minimum and the actual client need is the other side of the equation that we need to marry up.
Good luck.

 

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