Occupancy of a Learning Center

[globe trekker]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

I believe that you are correct Gene! That's how he/she is wired!

 

[Gene Boecker]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

Globetrecker, I trust you are you implying anything with the "he-she" comment.

 

[brudgers]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

Why do I get the feeling that brudgers is just "pushing buttons?"

I'm just following a particular method of code application to its logical conclusion -- Reductio ad absurdum in furtherence of a more professional approach to plan review.

 

[brudgers]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

BTW, as much as I like Harlan Ellison, it would be unfortunate if a person responsible for serving the public were to view people with such disdain.

 

[JBI]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

The whole concept of a tutoring facility being placed in the E occupancy was due to the educational nature of the subjects being taught. Clearly different than a batting cage. There is no curriculum requirement for 'baseball' in any High School that I know of. Physical Education requirements do not mandate a proficiency in any particular sport... that's why the sports teams are considered EXTRA-curricular activities.

While I personally do not subscribe to the theory that the tutoring center needs to be classified as an E occ, I can see where it has some validity... as long as the SOLE use and purpose is tutoring, and provided that ALL course material is grade 12 and below. Even ONE community college student getting help with a college level class takes you OUT of the E occupancy classification. That's why it makes more sense to call it an A if 50 or more, and B if under 50.

 

[Gene Boecker]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

btw: I also like this quote from Harlan Ellison:

"You are not entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your informed opinion. If you are not informed on the subject, then your opinion counts for nothing.

 

[JBI]

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Not to mention Gene is NOT a public servant like many of us here... he is in the private sector.

I on the other hand AM a public servant, and I can safely say for the record that if ignorance is bliss, I know MANY MANY MANY very happy people. Some days I can count myself among them. :lol:

Being ignorant on a particular subject isn't a bad thing... Denying that you are ignorant on a particular subject can be. :roll:

 

[brudgers]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

btw: I also like this quote from Harlan Ellison:"You are not entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your informed opinion. If you are not informed on the subject, then your opinion counts for nothing.

And an informed opinion counts for twice as much.

 

[brudgers]

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Not to mention Gene is NOT a public servant like many of us here... he is in the private sector.

Well then the last part of my conditional proposition does not apply and one set of unfortunate circumstances has not necessarily come to be.

 

[TJacobs]

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As usual, nobody bothered to read the entire post and respond accordingly.

Try to find the overly restrictive code requirements for Group E that would impact these strip mall learning centers...let me know what you find.

I never received an answer to this. A lot of time was spent justifying the avoidance of code requirements by mumbo jumbo when the text of the code has no such mumbo jumbo. Except, nobody ever responded to the question "what are we trying to avoid" in the misclassification of an occupancy.

It is not even about the most restrictive. It is about classification.

I did learn something new though. It apparently came from SBC, which would explain why a BOCA nerd wouldn't get it.

 

[Paul Sweet]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

As far as I know, E has slightly lower height & area limits, a lower threshold for sprinklers and fire alarms, and requires wider hallways when they serve classrooms. None of these should be real killers, unless it's a huge space.

 

[brudgers]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

You could wind up with height limits, additional fire separations, and manual alarm systems.

And of course, you can't place a group E occupancy in an unlimited area building.

 

[kilitact]

Re: Occupancy of a Learning Center

brudgers wrote;

You could wind up with height limits, additional fire separations, and manual alarm systems.And of course, you can't place a group E occupancy in an unlimited area building.

Table 503 allows for unlimited area for E occupancies in Type 1 construction and unlimited area in Type II construction. Section 507.9 allows unlimited area in Types II, IIIA and IV construction.