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TimNY
Platinum Member
Good catch.. nice to get in there before it creates a huge problem to correct.
Yankee
Registered User
. . . . what?
TimNY
Platinum Member
You can't use sawn lumber between the engineered joists like that.
KZQuixote
Sawhorse
I believe Ice's pointing out the layout error, which would be easy enough to fix. OR the carpenter could just lay a full sheet at the end and cover the mistake up.
Nobody cares about the rockers anyway, Right?
Bill
Nobody cares about the rockers anyway, Right?
Bill
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TimNY
Platinum Member
Nice.. I didn't even see that.. the joists are definitely skewed!KZQuixote said:
alora
Silver Member
Yes, you can.TimNY said:
alora
Silver Member
Not skewed enough to worry.TimNY said:
Just started their spacing at opposite ends.
alora
Silver Member
It's probably to attach GWB at that corner.KZQuixote said:
For the upper level storage area that's probably labeled "Not for storage" on the drawings.
TimNY
Platinum Member
Page 3 of the install directions:alora said:
DO NOT use sawn lumber for
rim board or blocking as it
may shrink after installation.
Use only engineered lumber.
No, you can't.
alora
Silver Member
My mistake.TimNY said:
Thought we were on a building codes forum.
KZQuixote
Sawhorse
My money will go on the manufacturer's instructions being referenced in the code and thus become part of it.alora said:
Bill
alora
Silver Member
And mine goes to the structural engineer reviewing and taking no exceptions to the shop drawing submittals.KZQuixote said:
TimNY
Platinum Member
Yes, if the moon is in the 4th quarter, the planets are aligned and it's Tuesday, the blocking can be approved.
Engineering your way out of installation instructions is the answer for those who do not read the instructions; that goes for designers and contractors.
Do you know why the stamp says "No exceptions taken", because they are not going to say "approved".
That way when something goes wrong and the manufacturer comes out, the engineer can say, "the contractor should have read the instructions."
Why would you choose to violate the instalalation instructions and use solid blocking when they could use the scrap cutoffs or an engineered rim to serve the same purpose?
I'm wrong too (see the thread on Timberlocks), but I admit it when I am.. man up instead of trying to engineer your way out.
Engineering your way out of installation instructions is the answer for those who do not read the instructions; that goes for designers and contractors.
Do you know why the stamp says "No exceptions taken", because they are not going to say "approved".
That way when something goes wrong and the manufacturer comes out, the engineer can say, "the contractor should have read the instructions."
Why would you choose to violate the instalalation instructions and use solid blocking when they could use the scrap cutoffs or an engineered rim to serve the same purpose?
I'm wrong too (see the thread on Timberlocks), but I admit it when I am.. man up instead of trying to engineer your way out.
alora
Silver Member
So, you have authority to deny something in the field if it's an engineered detail and a permit was issued?TimNY said:
When something goes wrong that warrants the manufacturer to come out, it will more than likely be the engineer stating: "The owner/tenant exceeded the allowable load capacity of the mezzanine."
Again, because it can be done.
Never was it said that it was right or wrong.
Probably would do some good to hang around industrial projects a bit.
Architect1281
Gold Member
Removed cause I my comment was dumb and irrelevant at second look
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TimNY
Platinum Member
I have the authority to ask the engineer to substantiate his drawings. Which, just as you assume it will be approved, I assume when brought to his attention will changed by the engineer to reflect the installation instructions.alora said:
More than likely, when there is a problem, the engineer will state the contractor failed to follow the instructions. That's what poor designers do-- they hang the responsibility on the contractor.
I don't know of many industrial projects of combustible construction.
Might do you some good to read the code, given that you feel manufacturer's instructions are not pertinent to construction. We can tap dance around this as much as you want. The fact is that inspectors and contractors are grounded in the reality of poor design. Your position of "anything is possible" is great theory but lacks basis in practicability.
The reality is that somebody has to pay the engineer to justify a poor design concocted by a designer who fails to read the instructions for materials he designs with. If you think, "it can be approved" substantiates your initial response, go with it. That makes one person.
KZQuixote
Sawhorse
Are you saying that the shop drawings called for solid wood blocking and the plans reviewer missed it? I've seen many such shop drawings, for the manufacturer to spec a product that was not compatible especially when they can sell the correct blocking, is very unlikely.alora said:
The contractor just made a mistake.
Bill
MtnArch
Sawhorse
C'mon guys ... just nail the engineered rim joist onto the blocking and you kill two birds with one stone - you get the rim joist and a nailer for the rockers, too!!! ;-)
Yankee
Registered User
I need more explanation for the layout error, what is it?KZQuixote said:
TimNY
Platinum Member
Yankee, check the joists closest to you versus the ones further away. Think "joist on wrong side of the line", although it looks like more.Yankee said:
It is most visible on the center joist, looks to be going off to the right a few inches.
KZQuixote
Sawhorse
I'm not perzactly sure, but if you look at the layout of the joists in the span further away you'll see that they are not evenly spaced (look at the hangers). It's not as simple as the wrong blocks are nailed in the wrong bays (check out the parallel layouts on the ends of this span).Yankee said:
In any case if the further span is correct the near span could be fixed in about 20 minutes.
Bill