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Outdoor gas grill/kitchen, distance from property line?

Billy

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Hello,

If this is already posted somewhere please give me direction. I have an investigation of a gas grill installed at a lake frontage property.
The complaint is the grill is only 5' from from a property line. Since it is lake property, the owners are fighting for every inch.

I have found code referring to gas fire pits/fireplaces, but have not found a code specific to property line placement. Both owners are talking through lawyers so I want to be sure and support with code. State of Michigan.

I would appreciate any assistance as the install directions only mention distance from house and combustibles.
 

my250r11

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This would most likely be a zoning issue. Most place require at least 5' from the side yard property line for any type of structure to help prevent fire spread from lot to lot. Building code generally requires the fire resistance rating to go up the closer to the property line. The closer you get the higher the rating, so type of construction comes into effect. An outdoor kitchen here would be considered a structure and there for Zoning would require 5' from property line.

Hope this helps.
 

north star

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$ = $ = $

and Welcome ** Billy **, ...to The Building Codes Forum ! :cool:

$ = $ = $
 
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cda

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Hello,

If this is already posted somewhere please give me direction. I have an investigation of a gas grill installed at a lake frontage property.
The complaint is the grill is only 5' from from a property line. Since it is lake property, the owners are fighting for every inch.

I have found code referring to gas fire pits/fireplaces, but have not found a code specific to property line placement. Both owners are talking through lawyers so I want to be sure and support with code. State of Michigan.

I would appreciate any assistance as the install directions only mention distance from house and combustibles.


Should have asked, will you define this specific " The complaint is the grill"

Gas?
Wood?
Charcoal?

Big box special?
or
Built on site?

Is this part of an outdoor kitchen, or stand alone.

A little more details, if you have pictures, make them a link and post the link
 

mark handler

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2015 IFC 308.1.4 Open-flame cooking devices. Charcoal burners and other open-flame cooking devices shall not be operated on combustible balconies or within 10 feet of combustible construction.

That could include a wood fence, structures, Wildfire Exposure area?
 

Billy

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The grill is gas and has been installed 100' from the home. It is a stand alone unit. The grill is mounted to a concrete pad.
The neighbor has a shed 5' from the property line which gives 10' total of grill from shed. I found an open flame fire pit is to be 10' from property line, but nothing specific (yet) on a gas grill.
 

cda

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I would not worry much about gas grill,,,

Till the actual tan catches fire.

So is this a piped unit or portable propane tank?
 

Pcinspector1

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Zoning: Utility easement?

Here no structures in the utility easement, a stationary grill would be a structure IMO
 

e hilton

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Neighbor has some issues. It’s behind a shed ... let it go.
If i was the judge, i would tell the grill owner he has to move it 5’ ... and tell the neighbor he has to pay the cost.
 

JPohling

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So, it is a lakefront property and the owners are fighting for every inch, but it is 100 feet from the house? OK then. These guys deserve to pay attorneys. let them figure out that its fine right where it is.
 

BillyHerring15

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The grill is gas and has been installed 100' from the home. It is a stand alone unit. The grill is mounted to a concrete pad.
The neighbor has a shed 5' from the property line which gives 10' total of grill from shed. I found an open flame fire pit is to be 10' from property line, but nothing specific (yet) on a gas grill.
So how did you solve it? Got the similar issue with my gas grill now. To my mind, there are no worries about
 

mark handler

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Where did the 100ft come from?
the measurement is to a structure or to property line whichever is closer.
you cannot use your neighbors 5 ft.
 

instantmessenger

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Check IFC 308. This is usually a zoning issue and a local fire code issue. The grill area would be considered a permanent structure if it is anchored to the ground and includes other counters. Here’s one way to look at it: The minimum an approved device can be to a structure is 30’ and since the setback for a structure of an abutted is 10’ feet then the nearest a cooking device can be to the property line would be 20’ min.
 

mark handler

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Check IFC 308. This is usually a zoning issue and a local fire code issue. The grill area would be considered a permanent structure if it is anchored to the ground and includes other counters. Here’s one way to look at it: The minimum an approved device can be to a structure is 30’ and since the setback for a structure of an abutted is 10’ feet then the nearest a cooking device can be to the property line would be 20’ min.
That is not the way I see it.
 
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