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Outside accessble showers

Mr. Inspector

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Looking for accessibility requirements for outside showers at a public swimming pool area. I only see shower compartments in the ANSI. Surprised that grab bars are not required. I can only find controls to be less then 48" from the floor and lever type controls. Any thing else?
 
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Is this for the area where you rinse off the chlorine?
I am not aware of any rules regarding what these showers are to be used for. I am not sure if they are using chlorine in the pools. There is also a beach near the pool. Does it make a difference to what they use it for?
IBC says bathing facilities are to be accessible. I'm only assuming that showers are bathing facilities since there is no definition in the IBC for "bathing facilities" or "showers".
 
Rinse off showers require access to controls and showerheads within reach ranges and clear floor areas.
 
Does it make a difference to what they use it for?
Excuse the heck out of me for trying to interact.

You said “swimming pool” … that implies hard surface area. Beach was not mentioned. You said “outside showers” … that implies its not in the dressing room, its in public view. Chlorine is typically used as a disinfectant in all pools, especially public ones. My experience with public pools is that people like to rinse the chlorine out of their hair and swim suit when they are done for the day.
 
xcuse the heck out of me for trying to interact.

You said “swimming pool” … that implies hard surface area. Beach was not mentioned. You said “outside showers” … that implies its not in the dressing room, its in public view. Chlorine is typically used as a disinfectant in all pools, especially public ones. My experience with public pools is that people like to rinse the chlorine out of their hair and swim suit when they are done for the day.
Sorry, I did not mean to come on so strong, but I would like to know why it matters how the showers were used. There is a fence and a gate between the beach and showers and there is no sign with rules on how the showers were to be used for. Wouldn't the showers be considered bathing facilities no matter what their rules or location are?

This is my first encounter with outside showers. The ICC codes seems to be silent about outside showers and not just accessibility. I can't find anything about floor and wall surfaces for outside showers too. They have a rough stone finish at this outside shower.
 
these are intended for rinsing before or after. ADA has not discussed POT's to them but controls must be accessible.
 
Rinse off showers, are not required, by building or plumbing codes, BUT if provided, shall meet code requirements, including Accessibility.
 
I been to nudest resorts that have outside showers not only near the pool but also in camping areas where soap is provided and people take full showers.
 
For purposes of defining the function of an object and its code compliance, in my opinion it is the intent of the designer that counts.
  • For example, if there is a sink in a kitchen that meets CBC fig. 11B-306.3 knee clearance of 27" for a kitchen sink, but a person comes along and uses it to just wash their hands, it is not appropriate to now call it a "lavatory" requiring 29" of knee clearance.
Using a building or site component in a manner inconsistent with its designed purpose should not trigger compliance with code for a different purpose than the original design.

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Repeating the emailed response dated 7/17/2018 from the Pacific ADA Center:

"Thank you for contacting the Pacific ADA Center. The Pacific ADA Center provides technical assistance, training, education and written materials regarding the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

The ADA is a civil rights law that ensures that individuals with disabilities get afforded the same rights as everyone else in the areas of employment, state and local governments' facilities and programs, public accommodations and telecommunications.

Your reference to section 213 pertains to bathing toilet and facilities. An outside rinsing shower is typically not considered a bathing facility and is treated differently. All the basic requirements apply (reach range, operable parts, clear floor space, connected to an accessible route). There would not be a requirement for incorporating the seat and grab bars as required in section 608.

For further information on the ADA, please contact one of our Technical Assistance Specialists between 8 AM and 5 PM Pacific Time on our toll-free hotline at 1-800-949-4232. You may also find helpful information by visiting our web site at www.adapacific.org

The information presented in this email is intended solely as informal guidance, and is neither a determination of legal rights or responsibilities under the ADA, nor is it binding on any agency with enforcement responsibilities under the ADA."
 
An outside rinsing shower is typically not considered a bathing facility and is treated differently. All the basic requirements apply (reach range, operable parts, clear floor space, connected to an accessible route). There would not be a requirement for incorporating the seat and grab bars as required in section 608.
Well that makes sensev
 
Using a building or site component in a manner inconsistent with its designed purpose should not trigger compliance with code for a different purpose than the original design.
A most excellent point, 103 of code allows for alternate methods as does the ADA. New technology not available in 1990 now allows for greater access in many cases then before. IE: A laptop and cell phone no longer require wired connections, therefore less need for 34" work surface/POS heights.
 
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