Pair sues for more disabled access

[beach]

In California, it's T-24 not ADA..... I don't see an exception for Places of Religious Worship, AKA..... Church. Is there a section?

Oops.... never mind...didn't see the next page..

 

[conarb]

....we are hoping that will soon happen to you.

You say "we", I have to wonder what others think of this little exchange?

 

[mark handler]

Once again we have gone, off topic

 

[mark handler]

You say "we", I have to wonder what others think of this little exchange?

argumentum ad populum

 

[brudgers]

Sound like the church is more inclusive than some on this board.

Comparing organizations such as churches to individuals such as board members is an error of logic.

 

[mark handler]

Comparing organizations such as churches to individuals such as board members is an error of logic.

No more than allowing corperations and other organizations to pump money into the political system , but That too is off topic.

 

[conarb]

No more than allowing corperations and other organizations to pump money into the political system , but That too is off topic.

Like Fascist environmental organizations outspending "Big Oil" 3 to 1 to defeat Prop 23, but that too is off topic.

Environmentalists opposed to Prop. 23 were originally portrayed in news reports--and in their own words--as Davids fighting Goliath, out-gunned and out-resourced by oil companies. Yet Greens outspent Big Oil $30 million to $10 million, and defeated the measure 61% to 39%, drawing considerable support among Republican voters in the state. ¹

¹ http://bigthink.com/ideas/24860

 

[texasbo]

The ownership interest in property is established by the same legal system that gives us the ADA and the DOJ.It is no more or less a right than the right to accessibility.

You've put Robocop on a Unicorn: an individual's private property ownership often outweigh the rights of everyone else.

It's a real stretch comparing equally the rights to property ownership with the laws regulating accessibility. That's like saying that laws prohibiting marrying your sister are the same as those for murder. Ya, they're both laws, but that's about it. If your point was that they are both laws, well, I guess you made your point. Fortunately, they aren't quite equal, YET. That's why I don't have to make my home accessible to handicapped people. YET.

And I can't disagree with the example of fallacy in the inversion: unfortunately, you're right. The rights of an individual property owner are too often dictated by an oppressive government and frivolous whims of the handicapped community (and their lawyers). A property owner is not even given the simple right to decide who they can and can't allow on their own property. However, given the rapidly increasing level of absurdity regarding these claims, cases, and settlements, the public ultimately will cease to allow the ridiculous waste of money (both private and taxpayer) payed out to these vigilante handicapped people and their lawyers.

 

[texasbo]

Like Fascist environmental organizations outspending "Big Oil" 3 to 1 to defeat Prop 23, but that too is off topic. ¹ http://bigthink.com/ideas/24860

I've been at the Texas ICSC convention for the last couple of days, and I have missed out on some serious fun. I'd love to see the posts that were deleted/edited...

Conarb, come to Texas, please. You'd like it here. You belong here.

 

[conarb]

Conarb, come to Texas, please. You'd like it here. You belong here.

Interestingly a lot of my friends here are Texans, including my attorney. But if I left California would there be any freedom-loving Californians left? Were I to leave, I'm sure there are many radical environmentalists here willing to pay my way to Texas.

 

[conarb]

Texasbo:

Texas governor's advice to California:

Channel 10 News] "I'll be leaving here and talking to business men and women about relocating to the state of Texas," said Perry.When asked which ones, he replied, "I can't tell you."Unlike California, Texas has a healthy, balanced budget and leads the country in job growth."There is a reason that four out of five private sector jobs created in America from 2005 to present were in the state of Texas," said Perry. He was brutally honest about the state of California and quick to point out what he thinks California state leaders are doing wrong."You have a government that is dysfunctional. You're over-taxing, you're over-regulating, you're over-litigating," said Perry.¹

Yes he is recruiting us, ADA is a good example as to why Texas is cleaning our clock economic-wise: you're over-regulating, you're over-litigating¹ http://www.10news.com/news/25835123/detail.html

 

[mark handler]

Interestingly a lot of my friends here are Texans, including my attorney. But if I left California would there be any freedom-loving Californians left? Were I to leave, I'm sure there are many radical environmentalists here willing to pay my way to Texas.

 

[peach]

yeah... and... ???

 

[texasbo]

I always have to chuckle when presented with this argument. Since the beginning of human activity, land, territories, and countries have been conquered. That's just the way it is. We took land from the Indians; sorry, no apologies from me. Now the question is, are we going to let it be taken from us? We have a choice.

 

[brudgers]

I always have to chuckle when presented with this argument. Since the beginning of human activity, land, territories, and countries have been conquered. That's just the way it is. We took land from the Indians; sorry, no apologies from me. Now the question is, are we going to let it be taken from us? We have a choice.

Based on your reasoning a person is entitled to your property through the use of force.

I guess you'd rather be shot than sued.

 

[texasbo]

Based on your reasoning a person is entitled to your property through the use of force.I guess you'd rather be shot than sued.

No brudgers, based on my observation of history, since the beginning of time, lands have been conquered. That's just the way it is. It's up to you whether or not to face the truth.

And based on my observation of history, one day all of what is now our property will be taken. It wont be while I'm alive, but it is inevitable.

 

[brudgers]

No brudgers, based on my observation of history, since the beginning of time, lands have been conquered. That's just the way it is. It's up to you whether or not to face the truth. And based on my observation of history, one day all of what is now our property will be taken. It wont be while I'm alive, but it is inevitable.

It's up to each of us to see the truth.

I'd humbly suggest that ADA interferes somewhat less with anyone's life than the Texas Rangers interfered with those of the Comanches.

 

[conarb]

The Indians had no legal or title system for land, nobody here owned anything, the white man didn't steal anything from anyone, they settled land much like the Indians did when they came here from Asia, but the white man established ownership. Every title policy I've read here in California goes back to Spanish land grants, that's as far back as ownership goes.

 

[texasbo]

It's up to each of us to see the truth.I'd humbly suggest that ADA interferes somewhat less with anyone's life than the Texas Rangers interfered with those of the Comanches.

And I'd humbly suggest that ADA interferes significantly more with everyone's life than when they were just allowed to operate their business and serve who they chose to serve.

I'd also humbly suggest you reread your own words:

Brudgers: "The ownership interest in property is established by the same legal system that gives us the ADA and the DOJ.

It is no more or less a right than the right to accessibility."

Remember brudgers, it's part and parcel. But now it's a matter of degrees. Oh wait, you can't pick and choose... Or can you, if it suits the point you're trying to make?

 

[brudgers]

The Indians had no legal or title system for land, nobody here owned anything, the white man didn't steal anything from anyone, they settled land much like the Indians did when they came here from Asia, but the white man established ownership. Every title policy I've read here in California goes back to Spanish land grants, that's as far back as ownership goes.

Land Grants?

The King of Spain came to own the land how?

Ah yes, the force of arms.

 

[brudgers]

And I'd humbly suggest that ADA interferes significantly more with everyone's life than when they were just allowed to operate their business and serve who they chose to serve.I'd also humbly suggest you reread your own words:

Brudgers: "The ownership interest in property is established by the same legal system that gives us the ADA and the DOJ.

It is no more or less a right than the right to accessibility."

Remember brudgers, it's part and parcel. But now it's a matter of degrees. Oh wait, you can't pick and choose... Or can you, if it suits the point you're trying to make?

Dennis was wrong.

Supreme executive power derives from a farcical aquatic ceremony.

 

[texasbo]

Land Grants?The King of Spain came to own the land how?

Ah yes, the force of arms.

Uhhh...Yeah....; you act as if it's a foreign notion to you. The force of arms; you know - the thing that kept you from bowing to the queen, or pledging allegiance to the Union Jack, or whatever other nonsense they do these days.

 

[brudgers]

Uhhh...Yeah....; you act as if it's a foreign notion to you. The force of arms; you know - the thing that kept you from bowing to the queen, or pledging allegiance to the Union Jack, or whatever other nonsense they do these days.

and likewise requires businesses to provide accessibility [and prohibits them from owning slaves in small part thanks to several of my fore bearers].

 

[texasbo]

and likewise requires businesses to provide accessibility [and prohibits them from owning slaves in small part thanks to several of my fore bearers].

I love the way you constantly hold up ADA as the antithesis of slavery, when in fact one is a law that discriminated against an entire race of people and the other gives preferential treatment to a very tiny segment of the population, and is oppressive to the remainder.

And in fact both have precipitated the force of arms....as well as revolutionary changes in the laws themselves....

I deplore them both.