Partitions between fixtures - 2006 IBC & IPC

[thillhouse]

Now take a look at the urinal screen's size especially the distance from the floor to the bottom and to the top of the urinal screen. Manufacturers do not make the urinal screen tall enough. Now look at the requirement for how far the urinal screen must project beyond the urinal basin. It takes a 24" wide urinal screen to comply.

Does anyone know why the requirement for starting height and height above floor was added for the urinal screen in the 2009 IBC 310.5? Its difficult to find a MFG that make a 48" high urinal screen. Is it a privacy issue? accessibility issue or hygene issue? Why is this in the plumbing code and not the building code?

Tim

 

[north star]

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thillhouse,



1st, ...Welcome to The Building Codes Forum!

2nd, ...

"Does anyone know why the requirement for starting heightand height above floor was added for the urinal screen in the 2009 IBC 310.5?"

`09 IPC.

3rd, ...IMO, ...the requirement for the increased size of the partitions

is both for privacy & hygiene.....I would not want to be using a urinal

next to someone whose aim includes my shoes!

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[lunatick]

I would like to know how often a plumber is installing or the engineering specifying the compartments and screens?

all they need to know is these items are about 1 inch thick.

It really belongs in the ibc.

 

[lunatick]

That is actually an intriguing idea. Has your jurisdiction always done this? What is your general impression of not designating the sex, but rather providing two uni-sex restrooms?

If I remember to on Monday, I will look up in one states code about Unisex. I recall that in one, for certain uses, a unisex would also have a urinal.

 

[Paul Sweet]

One more complication I just got hit with on a project nearing completion. The code now requires urinal screens to project 2" from the wall. If a 24" wide screen panel is installed, the anchors make it stick out to 24 1/2" or 25" from the wall, so the accessible urinal requires a 36" clear width.

 

[lunatick]

One more complication I just got hit with on a project nearing completion. The code now requires urinal screens to project 2" from the wall. If a 24" wide screen panel is installed, the anchors make it stick out to 24 1/2" or 25" from the wall, so the accessible urinal requires a 36" clear width.

Should the clear floor for this really be measured from the rear wall? or from the effective front of the urinal?

I have seen graphics on clear floor space for wc, like to see if same for urinal.

 

[mark handler]

Should the clear floor for this really be measured from the rear wall? or from the effective front of the urinal?I have seen graphics on clear floor space for wc, like to see if same for urinal.

IT DEPENDS ON YOUR URINAL. Not all urinals are created equal. Does your urinal have knee and toe clearance complying with 306

ADASAD

304.3.1 Circular Space. The turning space shall be a space of 60 inches (1525 mm) diameter minimum. The space shall be permitted to include knee and toe clearance complying with 306

 

[mark handler]

There is no way every issue can be illustrated, just like every code issue is not illustrated in the code.

Sometimes brains must be used.....

 

[mark handler]

ICCI ANSI A 117.1

306.2 Toe Clearance.

306.2.1 General. Space beneath an element between the floor and 9 inches (230 mm) above the floor shall be considered toe clearance and shall comply with Section 306.2.

 

[lunatick]

Now take a look at the urinal screen's size especially the distance from the floor to the bottom and to the top of the urinal screen. Manufacturers do not make the urinal screen tall enough. Now look at the requirement for how far the urinal screen must project beyond the urinal basin. It takes a 24" wide urinal screen to comply.

http://www.bobrick.com/Documents/1080_td.pdf

They have one that starts at 12 and is 48 tall. so it would start at no more than 12 inches and extend up to 60 inches above the finish floor.

Where does it state the 24" wide screen?

I have seen 18 inch minimum and at least to extend out 6 inches from lip. But unless you are using a a large bowl urinal, It isn't going to be an issue.

I have seen provisions for surrounding materials. but that is just stating the finish on materials within a range of the urinal, etc needs to be so finished.

That stated, if you do have a screen extending out 24" or more, you will end up with clear floor space of 36 wide due to alcove requirements.

BTW,

1. put this crap in the IBC. It is where it belongs.

2. quit relocating this crap every edition.

 

[lunatick]

There is no way every issue can be illustrated, just like every code issue is not illustrated in the code. Sometimes brains must be used.....

There is no way every issue can be illustrated, just like every code issue is not illustrated in the code. Sometimes brains must be used.....

SAD elimated some of the helpful illustrations that existed in ADAAG.

That stated, I don't believe there really is an issue here. I do not see that the screens have to be 24 inches deep. IMO I think they are confusing the requirements for finishes with the actual depth of the screen.

But I do thank you for your posting.

 

[mark handler]

SAD eliminated some of the helpful illustrations that existed in ADAAG.

Many dimensions and clearances have changed in the new standards. Especially as it relates to side clearances for toilets. So Yes it is good that those illustrations are deleted.

And exceptions which are, many times the rule, would also need to be illustrated.

 

[peach]

I found the privacy provisions in 2006 IPC (Third printing); it was a new provision in 2006 and may have been inadvertently excluded from the first 2 printings.

Papio, the law in the in the jurisdiction has something to do with the transgender community.. and they are starting to enforce it.