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Problem with gate access control.

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LARMGUY

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I need some help and I know this is the place to get my answer.

I have an access control system we are installing into an industrial warehouse metal frame with metal siding elevated docks with concrete floor that is non sprinkled with no fire alarm. There are two access controlled doors and one electric rollup OVHD door. One of the doors is the outside entrance and is a standard electric strike with card reader and lever handle for egress. The other door is a custom made chain link gate. The warehouse is controlled access via more chain link fencing linking to a counter area with a lockable roll down counter barrier. We are concerned about fire egress through the gate.

The problem is the salesman has proposed a 600 lb. maglock to secure the gate which would cause all kinds of problems with the security of the gate. In the first place this maglock cannot be attached to conduit or armored cable to protect the power cable. Chain link is not secure visually or physically when there is an emergency exit button within easy reach of the gate with a long handled tool. The same for a REX motion, by using a tool, the thief could unlock the gate.

After several conversations with the customer it has been made very clear they have an inventory control problem and want their warehouse secured. They will not be lackadaisical in these efforts therefore they want a system that cannot be easily defeated.

The gate and fence can be modified and or adjusted to fit any type of electronic locking mechanism we decide to use.

Questions

1. Should there be two forms of egress at this gate if we use a maglock?

2. How would you propose to lock this gate and still provide easy egress without prior knowledge of use?

3. Is there another product on the market that would provide fail safe egress on the gate?

4. How about a fail secure strike with a lever, door knob, etc?
 
Ibc 1008

Has several mag lock requirements. But it does depend on your code cycle year.

The requirements differ
 
Since you have no real location in your ID packet, here is some generic ideas.

1.)Start this weekend with visits to big box stores that have outdoor gated areas to get a feel for what has passed inspection in your area. Are the gates really used to control daytime traffic? Probably not. A lot of gate hinges will wear down with heavy daily traffic.

2.) Put in layers of security. You can over or under, reach through or cut through chain link. Put a band aid on the problem and expect to get a bad rap on your reputation.

3.)Every door is going to need a door closer. Then you have to verify that the door is closed. Then you need to have someone to act if the door isn't closed. At that point you might as well put in a camera system with an outside guard company to monitor and an outside speaker to threaten off intruders.

4.)Does warehouse have 10 people or 100?

5.)If you are a member of a dealer association talk to them.

6.)Does your wholesaler have a design team?

A numbers book could be written about this with totally different solutions with so little actual information to work with.
 
I agree with CDA... Is the gate/door inside the building as in an inventory control caged area or does it lead directly to the exterior?

Is it required in the path of egress?

Take a look at Securitron... They have mags made for this purpose on gates that include gate and conduit fittings. The bonding option is good on gates also since you can use the output to trigger an alarm if there is a bypass attempt. This can be used with a "card out" also to trigger an alarm and still have your RTE in plain sight. Take a look at their GL1 gate lock also. It interlocks and does a nice job taking care of the play found in gate applications.
 
Safecrackin Sam said:
I agree with CDA... Is the gate/door inside the building as in an inventory control caged area or does it lead directly to the exterior?Is it required in the path of egress?

Take a look at Securitron... They have mags made for this purpose on gates that include gate and conduit fittings. The bonding option is good on gates also since you can use the output to trigger an alarm if there is a bypass attempt. This can be used with a "card out" also to trigger an alarm and still have your RTE in plain sight. Take a look at their GL1 gate lock also. It interlocks and does a nice job taking care of the play found in gate applications.
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I thinking if it is a chain link change it out or cover it on one side and secure it legally
 
First, thanks for the replies. I really appreciate your time and thoughts on this.



Ronald Bets said:
Since you have no real location in your ID packet, here is some generic ideas. 1.)Start this weekend with visits to big box stores that have outdoor gated areas to get a feel for what has passed inspection in your area. Are the gates really used to control daytime traffic?

The way I understand it, very few will have access to the warehouse and even less will have access to the gate on the cage. Less than 8 people.

Probably not. A lot of gate hinges will wear down with heavy daily traffic.

That, will not happen.

2.) Put in layers of security. You can over or under, reach through or cut through chain link. Put a band aid on the problem and expect to get a bad rap on your reputation.

That, is precisely what I intend to avoid.

3.)Every door is going to need a door closer.

There will be a spring mechanism.

Then you have to verify that the door is closed. Then you need to have someone to act if the door isn't closed. At that point you might as well put in a camera system

There is a megapixel camera system and we added 1 for that area.

with an outside guard company to monitor and an outside speaker to threaten off intruders.

4.)Does warehouse have 10 people or 100?

5.)If you are a member of a dealer association talk to them.

6.)Does your wholesaler have a design team?

That is one idea I haven't used yet.

A numbers book could be written about this with totally different solutions with so little actual information to work with.
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The building has a regular door, metal clad for entry/exit. The inventory is the caged area controlled by proximity card reader. Oklahoma City is my area.

The warehouse is owned by a very good subcontractor we use and do not want to alienate. Our reliability and reputation is why they called upon us.
 
I talked with a fire marshal today. He suggested a door strike with a lever concealed inside a box. No muss no fuss.
 
Your customer will be calling you again when if the strap hinges are holding the gate door suspended in the air. With heavy usage the bottom rail of the gate will wear away on the strap hinge.

Take a good look and anticipate how much usage it will take before an upset customer is calling you back. Gates doors are not made for heavy usage.
 
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