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Retractable Canopy Create A Fire Area?

Francis Vineyard

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The definition of Fire Area is reworded in 2009 to include roof that is not fire-resistances rated; how would you interpret the requirement for sprinklers or another story above if an awning or retractable canopy was installed on the roof deck?

http://www.litrausa.com/patiocoverscanopies-21.html

[F] FIRE AREA. The aggregate floor area enclosed and

bounded by fire walls, fire barriers, exterior walls or horizontal

assemblies of a building. Areas of the building not provided

with surrounding walls shall be included in the fire area if such

areas are included within the horizontal projection of the roof

or floor next above.

Thanks as always for all opinions

Francis
 
I have yet to find anything in the code that would suggest awnings, canopies or marquees are to be considered as part of the fire area. I use Chapter 31 of the 2006 IBC.
 
Not to hijack, but just to be a little more specific for anyone who might want to give an opinion: Let's say you have a fully sprinklered A2, Type IIB, 7000 sq ft, with an attached canopy over a 1000 sq ft non-sprinklered dining area. Let's also say that one of the required exits from the building exits into this covered space.

Would your answers be different?
 
No. They still have to meet the NFPA 701 performance criteria, ASTM E 84 for flame spread, and be of non-combustible material. They are structures defined in Chapter 31 to provide a weather barrier for an exterior space. Other types of membrane structures are considered differently. Those that are erected for periods of more than 180 days are handled by the IFC (in my case NFPA 101).
 
texasbo said:
Not to hijack, but just to be a little more specific for anyone who might want to give an opinion: Let's say you have a fully sprinklered A2, Type IIB, 7000 sq ft, with an attached canopy over a 1000 sq ft non-sprinklered dining area. Let's also say that one of the required exits from the building exits into this covered space.Would your answers be different?
No, as it applies to fire area and sprinkler protection; however, I would question the location of the exit discharge:

- does it minimize accumulation of smoke and toxic gases?

- does it provide a direct and unobstructed access to the public way?
 
texasbo said:
Not to hijack, but just to be a little more specific for anyone who might want to give an opinion: Let's say you have a fully sprinklered A2, Type IIB, 7000 sq ft, with an attached canopy over a 1000 sq ft non-sprinklered dining area. Let's also say that one of the required exits from the building exits into this covered space.Would your answers be different?
That door may not count as a horizontal exit, I would also take another look at their fixture count but still apply chapter 31.
 
I should be better at phrasing my questions, I'm basing my definition of canopies as a roof with this interpretation shown below. If a retractable type canopy see the link in my OP; is installed on a roof deck would this create a new fire area and another story on top of an existing occupiable roof deck?

Francis

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Francis, are you focusing on the section that states, "if such areas are included within the horizontal projection of the roof or floor next above?
 
Papio Bldg Dept said:
Francis, are you focusing on the section that states, "if such areas are included within the horizontal projection of the roof or floor next above?
Yes!!!!!!! I've been given it thought how this changes things adding to an existing building when before it only counted if it was a rated horizontal projection.
 
Sounds like a definition issue. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

1502.1 Roof Assembly. A system designed to provide weather protection and resistance to design loads. The system consists of a roof covering and roof deck or a single component serving as both the roof covering and the roof deck. A roof assembly includes the roof deck, vapor retarder, substrate or thermal barrier, insulation, vapor retarder and roof covering.

3105.3 Retractable Awning. A retractable awning is a cover with a frame that retracts against a building or other structure to which it is entirely supported.
 
The over hang of a roof does not count towards building area unless there is an occupied space above the over hang (as in a cantilevered floor space that creates an overhang), neither does the area of an awning because it is not occupied above nor even defined as a part of the roof of the building.
 
The narrative in the Change Significance posted by Francis actually addresses the question I posted in the thread, and it in fact references canopies. I think this could lead to some significantly different interpretations of these types of outdoor areas than we have seen in the past.

Note that the code says nothing about occupied space above the overhang.

Note also, that Ch 31 requires awnings and canopies to be designed for wind and live loads per Ch 16, and Ch 16 lists awnings and canopy design loads under the category of "Roofs'.
 
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Attached link is the comments during the code change proposal; see the second page; FS7-06/07 702.1 (IFC 902.1) and IFC interpretation Number 25-05

Does the Fire Area in question leaves the discretion to the designer and AHJ?;

FIRE AREA. The aggregate floor area enclosed and bounded by fire walls, fire barriers, exterior walls or horizontal assemblies of a building. Areas of the building not provided with surrounding walls shall be included in the fire area if such areas are included within the horizontal projection of the roof or floor next above.

As a refresher Codegeek had a question on this new definition too: Sprinklers required?

PcInspector1 had asked; “Does a patio area need to be part of the occupant load calc?” then Fire Area



I don't think this was the intent of the new definition if you didn't have to exit through the building and agree with the dessentors opinion it is too broad otherwise open garages would become an issue if it wasn't already codified.

About retractable canopies should they remain permanently extended above an occupiable roof; is it another story or would you still agree Chapter 31 similarly to tents on the roofs; not a fire area?

Texabo good points!

Francis
 
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texasbo said:
I think this could lead to some significantly different interpretations of these types of outdoor areas than we have seen in the past.Note that the code says nothing about occupied space above the overhang.

Note also, that Ch 31 requires awnings and canopies to be designed for wind and live loads per Ch 16, and Ch 16 lists awnings and canopy design loads under the category of "Roofs'.
I couldn't agree more, and I am not sure ICC made the issue any clearer, even with their commentary. It seems like they could have provided a definition of roof that would define a fire area. I don't see the revision changing anybody's minds, especially when ICC courses were being taught as late as last year using gbhammer's interpretation. Interesting. Thanks.
 
Interesting topic Francis, thanks. I found George Mann's especially interesting, and given the committee disapproved the proposed change, it was still approved as submitted. Me thinks I need to watch more of the testimony next time.

Public Comment 2:

George Mann, representing the Code Administrators Association of Kentucky, requests Disapproval.

I ask, how does the interpretations committee arrive at the conclusion that the building area is to be used to determine the fire area if the building has no exterior walls. The definition of fire area specifically states that a fire area has to be enclosed and bounded by exterior walls. This is where I believe the interpretation is flawed and in error. The interpretation makes statements of fact that do not exist. No where in the definition of fire area does it speak to using the building area or definition of building area to determine sprinkler requirements. The definition of building area and fire area are not interchangeable. If they were meant to be then Chapter 9 would base sprinkler systems on building area bounded by fire barriers or fire walls. No where in Section 903 does it read that a sprinkler system shall be provided when the building area exceeds a specified threshold. Again, we are supposed to determine fire area based on the area of the building enclosed and bounded by exterior walls, fire wall, fire barriers or fire-resistance-rated horizontal assemblies. Therefore, if we are looking at a building without exterior walls (column and roof only) we have no fire area and never have. This proposed change is attempting to merge 2 totally different definitions into one definition.

Second flaw with this proposed code change is in the application of the definition if approved. It reads that “areas not provided with surrounding walls shall be included in the fire area if such areas are included within the horizontal projection of the roof or floor above”. I read this as meaning that the area under the store front canopy, a roofed over area across the front of a retail establishment and the canopy over a loading / unloading dock would all have to be added to the area calculated within the exterior walls in order to determine sprinkler requirements. Even worse, I would include the area under the eave of the roof for it is a horizontal projection of the roof. Why would any of this be necessary?

Third flaw is implying that it is not clear from the definition of a fire area that building areas without surrounding walls are included in the fire area. The printed definition of fire area specifically reads “enclosed and bounded by fire walls, fire barriers, exterior walls”. I apologize but this would seem to be clear in the intent and application. What has confused the issue is the flawed interpretation that was produced last year.

Finally, the proponent proclaims that there is no increase to the cost of construction. Sprinkler system design, installation, maintenance and monitoring is not free. If this proposed change is approved, many community picnic shelters, theme park picnic shelters, open air flea markets which line every highway across the country, lumber storage shelters, open air concert venues with roofed over spectator seating (such as River Bend in Cincinnati) would be subject to sprinkler requirements that in the past would not been a

consideration. Under this proposed code change, there is no threshold that would grant an exemption from sprinklers for these types of roofed over structures; such as if the roof over the spectator seating were 40 feet above the floor level or if the flea market vendors &

tables were arranged such that the general public could not actually step under the roof only shelter.
 
Papio Bldg Dept said:
I couldn't agree more, and I am not sure ICC made the issue any clearer, even with their commentary. It seems like they could have provided a definition of roof that would define a fire area. I don't see the revision changing anybody's minds, especially when ICC courses were being taught as late as last year using gbhammer's interpretation. Interesting. Thanks.
It gets worse. Although the definition of Fire Area removed the words "fire resistance rated" from horizontal assembly, the definition of Horizontal Assembly in Chapter 7 STILL CONTAINS the words "fire resistance rated"...

Here's the problem: I agree with RLGA and your posts when talking about the typical little fabric covered, metal framed awnings or canopies. However, what about the guy that builds the 1000 square foot metal "canopy", with shoulder to shoulder dining next to the 7000 square foot restaurant? Is it just a canopy? Why or why not?

Chapter 31 should give us some additional criteria to allow awnings/canopies if the intent is to not apply "building", "Fire Area" or "roof" requirements to them.

Lastly, in looking at definitions in Ch 15, "Roof Assembly" says that the definition only applies in the context of Ch 15, leading you to believe that it therefore DOES NOT apply to awnings/canopies in Ch 34 (as RLGA, you, I and others have stated). Great, no problem, except we're left with the same dilemma as described above; some guy builds a massive "canopy" over an A occupancy, and claims he is exempt from being part of a Fire Area.
 
Yeah, Chapter 31 doesn't really address anymore than the construction requirements, when it, or another Chapter could easily clarify the position. Francis's thread reminds of the retractable dome in Seattle, and it has a retractable wall as well. Do we consider the playing field a portion of the fire area as well (not my area of expertise)? The comments for the code change proposal discuss big box stores with outdoor storage under canopies or roof structures without walls as having large fire loads and often MOEs that go back into the building. I certainly don't have the answer. Would be interested to hear what RLGA's thoughts are.

Canopies on a roof might take us back to the occupied roof as a story thread, but still interesting.
 
Great discussion!...I was thinking along the same lines as PBD last post...is the area in a stadium not counted under the "roof" canopy...unfortunately I believe the whole thing is open to a bunch of interpretation (for better or worse).....when we were discuusing the roof thread, my concept was a 1000 occupant A use roof area on an unspinklered building, in theory it could happen, not likely, but the idea just rubs me terribly wrong...
 
The problem is that it needs some resolution. In some parts of the country, it's probably not a big deal. But with the mild climate around here, half the restaurants, and many of the retail have huge "roofed" outdoor areas. It is difficult to get your hands around from a building code perspective, and when the FD gets involved, well, you can guess...
 
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