Should ADA be Repealed?

[conarb]

Has ADA gone too far?

 

[packsaddle]

completely eliminated.....along with affirmative action, welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, pensions, public housing, unemployment compensation, and all other entitlement programs and legislation.

the free market will take care of those things on its own through personal responsibility.

 

[Mark K]

We need to bring back debtors prisions.

Repeal food safety laws as unjust government intrusion into our lives.

While we are at it let us get rid of building codes and building departments.

 

[rshuey]

I say just remove it from building codes. make it kinda like zoning. Zoning governs the land use, ADA can govern their **** and just let me keep track of the building construction and fire safety. in a perfect world, I would get the prints, building app, letter from zoning stating compliance AND a letter from ADA telling the DESIGN PROFESSIONAL what he must include in the drawings and why.

*sighs*

 

[DanB]

I believe an inclusive society is the best society. Any of us are likely to handicapped at some time or other; I once spent a year on crutches. We could all point to pieces of the accessibility requirements we think are unnecessary but, in general, things are getting better.

 

[rshuey]

My pap was in a wheelchair for 30 years and I took him many places and he even bitched about all the ada spaces at the malls, walmart etc.

 

[brudgers]

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. - Thomas Jefferson

Wisdom from the mind of a man with a 13 year old sex slave, literally.

I am truly inspired.

 

[MarkRandall]

There's plenty I don't like in the ADA, but there's much more that I do like. ADA has created business opportunities for disabled folks to bring lawsuits on struggling business. Some of those businesses getting lawsuits slapped on them, I'm sure deserve it, but there's plenty who don't. Enforcement through the courts is just plain wrong.

I do believe accessibility needs to be an integral part of the building code and the code has to be approved as complying with ADA regs. I've spent too many years have to verify in multiple codes and guidelines whether my designs meet them.

Pack, if you take my social security, I want every dime I've put into it adjusted for interest/inflation. It's far from a perfect system, but you can't just eliminate it after people have invested in it for most of their lives. If a private institution ran social security the way it has been run, they'd be in jail. I'm all for opting out and people investing privately, but a government option has to continue.

 

[Alias]

As someone who has to enforce the CA Disability Access Code, I can tell you that I believe in it but that we need to get rid of the monetary incentive that folks get from suing businesses, local government, etc. There is a whole nother layer of government regulation now required with the CASp legislation here in CA. All of this because CA hasn't stopped the monetary incentive for, in most cases, frivolous lawsuits.

Sue, where the west still lives............

 

[mtlogcabin]

What is the difference between Arizonia adopting immigration laws that mirror federal law and trying to enforce them or states adopting accessibility laws that mirror ADA and trying to enforce them. Leave enforcement of existing facilities at the federal level

 

[Jobsaver]

The private right of suit should be eliminated. End perpetual entitlements for capable people, handicapped or not. Most people can go back to relying on their familiy, churches and local communities for help, in exchange for the services they can provide others within the family, church, and community.

 

[Mac]

No.

I agree that a commonsensical limit or cap on punitive damage awards would help achieve the goal of increased accessibility.

 

[conarb]

I have to wonder if California is the only state to codify as statute the ADA? I did a Google search and found nothing on the subject. Building inspectors do not enforce Federal law, ADA, EPA, OSHA, or immigration law, if other states have not codified ADA the subject of disability should only be of interest to California inspectors, contractors, engineers, and architects.

 

[tbz]

I don't have a problem with any new building, any building doing renovation or any existing building with more than lets say 1,200 sqft having to comply. On the flip side I don't believe small historical buildings, old existing small business either should be required to comply. If they are losing business because of it, then that is the businesses loss.

As to it being a federal law, I believe only the federal government has the right to file suit. The personal monetary gain needs to be removed. If you have a complaint with access file it with the DOJ and stay on their back to get it resolved.

What I find amazing is that there are many cultures in America living along side each other and yet somehow the more government laws enacted to bring people closer to accepting each other, the more people dislike each other.

Its funny how people are like deer in headlights, they just can't seem to see the truck coming is going to hit them, they just think the lights are so pretty.

 

[Jobsaver]

Its funny how people are like deer in headlights, they just can't seem to see the truck coming is going to hit them, they just think the lights are so pretty.

Some people are like the deer. Others, are like the truck.

Conarb: ADA requirements are interesting to us, (other states), too because the suits and threats of suit are not restricted to California.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/177412177.html

 

[Uncle Bob]

Well, crap; I couldn't vote.

Don't give a rat's butt wasn't listed.

Uncle Bob

 

[Jobsaver]

I stand corrected. Make that, interersting to us too, but not interesting to Uncle Bob.

 

[FredK]

Well I remember requiring ADA in the CEO private restroom (all cherry wood) when I was in Washington State years ago. The yelling and threats about that were legend around the office. Then when he came in later to obtain a permit for his new warehouse he said something like this. "That ADA stuff you made me put in sure came in handy when I broke my leg skiing."

Never know when one go to need access to ADA and it's a pain in the butt to try to add it later. Have no problems with new and retro it can be a challenge but most people I talked to sem to think it's a good idea.

As to the suit and $$$ to some (both sides) it's the only thing they understand and will need to be brought kicking and screaming to comply.

Really think DoJ should be filing the suits though.

 

[conarb]

Conarb: ADA requirements are interesting to us, (other states), too because the suits and threats of suit are not restricted to California.

I'm sure they are, but not from an enforcement standpoint, unless you fear you will go down like California and end up having to enforce your own version of ADA.

 

[Jobsaver]

We have had a couple of different occasions that the threat of suit has passed through our town. Everybody that is threatened with suit calls us wanting to know why we have historically issued CO's without enforcing ADA requirements. I could see us going down that California road . . . but am better warned against it now.

I am surprised how different our state laws are concerning ADA. Why does California allow personal suits? And why did California codify as statute ADA requirements? I mean, what was the motive of those not handicapped?

 

[conarb]

Why does California allow personal suits? And why did California codify as statute ADA requirements? I mean, what was the motive of those not handicapped?

California has a huge radical left-wing contingent of bleeding-heart liberals, mostly aging Hippies out of the state university and college system.

 

[Yankee]

I heard a theory once about why there are liberals in California (this was speaking about the entertainment industry), that goes like this "they feel guilty for making so much money for doing so little work"

Don't know how true that is.

 

[mtlogcabin]

This is what needs to be stopped.

http://adaabuse.com/

 

[Mark K]

Jobsaver

I believe that you will find that the ability to sue on ADA is tied to the federal law. The reason for bringing ADA requirements into the building code was so that every ADA compliance problem would not have to be litigated.

The idea that we should go back to a system where we do away with all government services and rely on familiy, churches and local communities for help is disturbing. What you are saying is that anybody who does not have strong local ties, good relations with family, or church membership should be left to suffer.