Signature on sprinkler system inspection card?

[rleibowitz]

I just did an inspection on an A2 establishment for a renewl of there liquor license. In Massachusetts we call them Periodic Inspections for Certificate or 110 Inspections. I noticed that the Inspection Tag on the sprinkler system was filled out with flow rates, alarm activation, etc. My question is this...is it required in NFPA 25 does that the test person and whitness to sign the inspection card? I've looked but can't find it in NFPA 25 or NFPA 13.

 

[cda]

Might be a state thing, some of those things are required by Tx state

Also might be an insurance thing

Also might show a professional company !!!!!!!

 

[Builder Bob]

Inspection tags are just an indication that it was inspected, you better get a hard copy of the inspection report to see if they have any issues that need to be resolved.... Such as inadequate coverage, non-working water motor gong, water flow switch failure, etc.

 

[FM William Burns]

As BB mentions, the card shows that someone was there and logged the flow and test data on the date and time they were there. The AHJ has the authroity to request complete inspection and tesing data in report form in accordance with NFPA 25 [4.3.1]

4.3.1* Records shall be made for all inspections, tests, and maintenance of the system and its components and shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request.

 

[forensics]

This situation could be what I like to call the "Dirty Little Secret"

The dirty little secret is the concealed information about a failed system that the fire department doesnt have knowledge of...

When a sprinkler company does a fire sprinkler inspection (fire alarm or Hood extinguishment system etc.) and the system fails the inspection there are no requirements to notify the AHJ or the Fire Marshal of the deficient system.

When a fire event happens the fire fighters had better not be depending on the system such as a fire pump or maybe a standpipe etc.

If the inspection firm (contractor) does report the system failure the owner will fire him and not use his services anymore so he is party to the "Dirty Little Secret" and as ole Ralph Cramden says "One of these days Alice, One of these days"

I think we should be required to furnish all failing reports to the fire department so they are informed of deficient systems if they are called on to respond to the subject address !

 

[fireguy]

This situation could be what I like to call the "Dirty Little Secret"The dirty little secret is the concealed information about a failed system that the fire department doesnt have knowledge of...

When a sprinkler company does a fire sprinkler inspection (fire alarm or Hood extinguishment system etc.) and the system fails the inspection there are no requirements to notify the AHJ or the Fire Marshal of the deficient system.

When a fire event happens the fire fighters had better not be depending on the system such as a fire pump or maybe a standpipe etc.

If the inspection firm (contractor) does report the system failure the owner will fire him and not use his services anymore so he is party to the "Dirty Little Secret" and as ole Ralph Cramden says "One of these days Alice, One of these days"

I think we should be required to furnish all failing reports to the fire department so they are informed of deficient systems if they are called on to respond to the subject address !

I only furnish service reports to the AHJ when the AHJ asks for them. And then if the AHJ does nothing about the problems we find, I stop wasting my time by furnishing service reports. I have stopped servicing accounts because life and safety issues have been ignored.

 

[FM William Burns]

Let’s take NFPA 25 as exampled. Reports that better include system or component testing and inspection “results” and or failures “shall” be reported in accordance with [4.3.2] and made available to the AHJ upon request [4.3.1].



Therefore if the AHJ requests them as we do, failures must be reported regardless of what company performs the task. We went through this type of jousting historically but all service providers operating in our jurisdiction must provide all records as we request and house said records on site in a red binder at the controls in accordance with ordinance.



No let’s get to the crux of the matter. A service provider has an obligation to the client, and the jurisdiction they are working or providing service in and this could be argued in the event of a loss and someone like me went through historic records and discovered the erroneous failures to report. The question a provider must ponder is do we do what is right or just what pays.



Providers who answers to the later never make it on our list we provide to customers inquiring on good companies who can help them. And for those who may ask, we follow up on deficiencies noted and always explain the obligations service providers have to both the owner and jurisdictions they work in as we the AHJ interpret.