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Significant Changes El. Code

You could just put in a conduit as "providing for the future"... You could also just install a receptacle inside the cabinet to tap off of later if they want to add a receptacle. It is a lot cheaper than installing a pop-up.
 
Beniah Naylor said:
You could just put in a conduit as "providing for the future"... You could also just install a receptacle inside the cabinet to tap off of later if they want to add a receptacle. It is a lot cheaper than installing a pop-up.
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Yes, they can do a lot of things and call it a provision. A few drop cord + power strip misadventures later... the committee will reconvene.

I have never been satisfied with a receptacle lower than or under a countertop. Just a stupid setup that's inviting trouble. My own kitchen has a 10' peninsula with a duplex receptacle at the end. So there's a ninja Foodi, a rice cooker and a steamer on the end. We can't operate them at the same time on a 20amp circuit and the end of the peninsula is not ideal. If we had little kids, that receptacle would be useless.

The 2020 code made a step in the right direction. 2023 went off the rails.
 
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The permit and plans for the proposed work have been reviewed, and NOT APPROVED, and the following item(s) require correction and/or clarification: Please resubmit two sets of revised plans

Just talked about this at a IAEI meeting last night even through we won't be using the 2023 NEC for 6 years from now, PA is always way behind. The speaker was confused about this section too.
He also told us about a state, don't remember where, that was going from the NEC 2003 to 2023. What a huge change.
 
The requirements for GFCI have changed. #5 Basements is now the entire basement whereas it was just the uninhabitable portion previously.

#11 is new. There is a cause for concern with #11 because this provision will require discernment on the part of the inspector. An inspector asks for a wet location whatever and the contractor replies with, "There's no way that this is a wet location" to which the inspector says, "Ahhh, but is it a damp location?" There's not a lot of stuff that is made for a damp location. Dry and wet is pretty much it.

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Msradell said:
So every residence is Req to have surge protection equipment installed? That's certainly a significant change and actually quite an expensive one in some cases. I wonder at what level will resonances be Req to update to meet this requirement during renovations?
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The usual way that many contractors apply new code is to ignore it until an inspector requires it. Those that do not know that there is new code find out the same way.
 
Southern California has had outdoor service disconnects for as long as I can remember. Now everybody will.

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The requirements for GFCI have changed. #5 Basements is now the entire basement whereas it was just the uninhabitable portion previously.

#7 is new. It sounds like the definition of a kitchen but since it is a stand alone location it must be something other than a kitchen.

#12 is new. There is a cause for concern with #12 because this provision will require discernment on the part of the inspector.

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The photo above is from the NEC. The photo below is from the CALBO training handout. Note that #7 in the NEC version is not in the CALBO version.

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Remember CALIFORNIA is three years behind the 2022 Electric code is based on the 2020 NEC.
 
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Southern California has had outdoor service disconnects for as long as I can remember. Now everybody will.

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I've lived in New York, South Carolina, North Carolina and Kentucky have never seen an outdoor disconnect for power other than the meter itself which is pulled sometimes in an emergency! What kind of disconnects are Req in California, obviously they have to be weatherproof. Also what kind of requirements that are going to be for locating this device so that emergency service personnel can easily find them?

In our case we have an emergency Full House generator so just disconnecting the power would not kill the power in the residence. I wonder how they are going to handle this?
 
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The requirements for GFCI have changed. #5 Basements is now the entire basement whereas it was just the uninhabitable portion previously.

#11 is new. There is a cause for concern with #11 because this provision will require discernment on the part of the inspector. An inspector asks for a wet location whatever and the contractor replies with, "There's no way that this is a wet location" to which the inspector says, "Ahhh, but is it a damp location?" There's not a lot of stuff that is made for a damp location. Dry and wet is pretty much it.

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Going to get a lot of odd looks when you also tell them to put an in use (bubble) cover on it......#11
 
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