Single Df w/bottle filler vs hi-lo

[mark handler]

Interesting, Resturaunt is a place of assembly but CPC 412.1 does not require them only in an auditorium type facility.

Only half right , read the entire sentance. There is a precursor to that.

 

[ADAguy]

"Ah" the classic response, "It depends", on a case by case basis.

The ADA and "code" cannot anticipate every condition, "wouldn't that be great if they could?"

Back to the beginning, only "if provided", (per ADA) does it (both dispensers?) then need to be accessible.

Facility in question is a cafeteria (selfserve)

Is a bottle filler seen as similar to a bottled water dispenser? If so, a previous response indicates it can only satisfy half the requirement.

Does this mean if it accompanies a DF that one or the other must be at accessible height and the remaining element can be standard height?

Here in lies the conumdrum, with a Hi-Lo DF both dispensers are the same and esentially hands free, The bottle filling element requires hands to grasp in order to fill it, the DF does not. If a unit offers options must both options be accessible and if so must both then be required to be hi-lo?

Once provided but not required, it can be deleted but if altered (as in this case), it is provided and therefore must comply, no?

I don't mean to beat this to death but you can see how issues such as this can be elevated to triable causes of action when just one person sees themselves as being denied the ability to use each option.

 

[Mech]

The following is from the ADA - 2010 Standards. 211.1 says "where provided . . ." but then 211.2 dictates "No fewer than two drinking fountains shall be provided."

Did I miss something that says section 211 is only applicable in certain situations?

211 Drinking Fountains

211.1 General. Where drinking fountains are provided on an exterior site, on a floor, or within a secured area they shall be provided in accordance with 211.

EXCEPTION: In detention or correctional facilities, drinking fountains only serving holding or housing cells not required to comply with 232 shall not be required to comply with 211.

211.2 Minimum Number. No fewer than two drinking fountains shall be provided. One drinking fountain shall comply with 602.1 through 602.6 and one drinking fountain shall comply with 602.7.

EXCEPTION: Where a single drinking fountain complies with 602.1 through 602.6 and 602.7, it shall be permitted to be substituted for two separate drinking fountains.

211.3 More Than Minimum Number. Where more than the minimum number of drinking fountains specified in 211.2 are provided, 50 percent of the total number of drinking fountains provided shall comply with 602.1 through 602.6, and 50 percent of the total number of drinking fountains provided shall comply with 602.7.

EXCEPTION: Where 50 percent of the drinking fountains yields a fraction, 50 percent shall be permitted to be rounded up or down provided that the total number of drinking fountains complying with 211 equals 100 percent of drinking fountains.

 

[mark handler]

Mech

You are not missing anything. You must, per ADA, ,provide two, fountains.

 

[Mech]

Thanks Mark. Exceptions given in other codes were throwing me off.

 

[mark handler]

Thanks Mark. Exceptions given in other codes were throwing me off.

You need as a designer, to use the most restrictive code/standard in your location.

As a code "enforcer" you need to enforce the code/standard your location has adopted, and empowers you to enforce.

Most local building departments, are not empowered to enforce the ADA.