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To drywall or not?

You bring up some very emotional points, but reality is that drywall might give an extra 10 or 15 minutes of protection, remember it is not a listed assembly, and a firefighter entering that structure has no idea how long a fire has been burning when the call comes in. I agree it should be suggested and pushed for the ceiling and supporting construction to be drywalled but to be a requirement as a result of unrelated work I would agree with jobsaver's last post.

There is no "risk" to anyone if there is no fire
 
High Desert said:
So there are literally millions of homes that have this same hazardous condition and no one is doing anything about it? I hardly think that the absence of drywall in itself is a hazardous condition unless there were other hazards present that warranted separation.
The reason nobody is doing anything about it is because it is a tiny hazard statistically (number of fatalities due to dwelling fires starting in garage < number of fatalities due to collapse of Twin Towers).
 
All good points. Been there done that, don't want to do it again. And thats why we all do what we do for a living. If we didn't care, we wouldn't have these great discussions. And they think our jobs are easy.
 
brudgers said:
The reason nobody is doing anything about it is because it is a tiny hazard statistically (number of fatalities due to dwelling fires starting in garage < number of fatalities due to collapse of Twin Towers).
I was being a little facetious with that remark.
 
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Jobsaver,

My heart and prayers go out to you. It sounds like you were in a "no win"

situation no matter what direction you took. One of the characteristics

' NOT ' listed on the code officials "must haves" is a very large amount

of compassion.

If the adopted codes in one's AHJ do not cover each applicable situation,

then I truly believe that we as code officials DO have a responsibility to

go the extra mile to help our fellow citizens out. I will venture to say

we bldg. code officials AND fire code officials know of companies [ both

large & small ] that would be willing to donate the materials, and that

maybe in "OUR" AHJ's, we all know of some contractor who would be

willing to help out with tools and possibly labor. If not, then we should

' ALL 'be lobbying hard at the local churches, or leading the way and

doing it ourselves. It is NOT about us or our perceived "turfs", or

how much P.R. we can get out of it. Go back and re-read Section

R102.7... "or as is deemed necessary by the building official for

the general safety and welfare of the occupants

and the public."

And I didn't even get onto my soapbox about our duties as followers

of Christ, ...to help our fellow man.

My perception of the "current disconnected mindset" is that we

code officials should be working togther to ensure a safer, better built

environment, rather than continuing to worry about self image, ...fighting

with each other, ...allowing shoddy "feel good, look good" materials &

components to be the norm rather that the exception, ...arguing about

RFS and on and on and on. Face it people, RFS are here to stay!

If you do not want to have / allow RFS in your AHJ, an option would

be to have all of the structurally framed components designed to have

a longer time before a catastrophic failure "under fire conditions"

[ i.e. - heavy timber type construction ] installed. By adding increased

fire protection in your residences, your insurance rates will decrease,

and your community insurance ratings will improve. We "code officials"

simply have to do a better job to improve our communities.

Mac,

Does your AHJ adopted codes / ordinances have any language similar

to R102.7?

brudgers asked:

"The reason that nobody is doing anything about it is because it is a

tiny hazard statistically (number of fatalities due to dwelling fires starting

in garage < number of Fatalities due to collapse of Twin Towers)."

This statement may be true in your location, ...it is not true in all locations

and AHJ's. BTW, how many dead bodies / catastrophic injuries will it

take [ to both the occupants or the fire fighting personnel or both ] to

change a code section in your community, AND what are you doing to

make this code change happen?

This topic is a good example of a situation that is just not acceptable. If

Pcinspector1' AHJ has adopted R102.7, there is a cheap, workable, legal

compliant fix available. Have the fire official make the ruling in conjunction

with the building official and get the gyp. board installed. If the code

officials cannot or will not make a ruling, then go outside the governmental

avenues and seek involvement from the community, ...even if the code

officials have to step up and "do the right thing" outside of regular

working hours. Respectfully offered, but ever hear of volunteering to

help a citizen out?

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Mac,

You must watch Bill O'Rielly, Your such a "sesquipedalian"

I'm leaning toward telling em "Just fix the darn cold wall"!

pc1
 
north star,

Your points are truly appreciated! Thanks for your insight in this matter.

pc1
 
North Star ---

There are a lot of structures that have serious life safety issues. That is, they were built before certain code issues were written and are not code compliant.

I am sure you can out and preach to lots of people that they have life safety issues that need addressing.

But if you do it on the job, I suspect the government will come after you.

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Bathrooms have slippery wet surfaces. I think we should not allow water in bathrooms. Lets get the code changed. Why wait for code changes. Evict everyone.
 
sounds like the garage is in the work area if they exposed the wall between the house and garage.. bring it up to minimum code.
 
Pcinspector1 said:
Existing residential home with garage below bedrooms built in the 70's without drywall attached to the underside of the floor joist. Home had a water leak and the cold wall between the garage was removed and electrical violations exposed, requiring a permit. Other issues requiring a permit due to walls upstairs being removed in the bathroom requiring the hardwired smoke detectors to be installed as well. Q. Not sure if the garage ceiling would be required to be drywalled? AJ601.2

2006IRC with Appendix J adopted.

Any comments would be great.

pc1
Out of curiosity, were the electrical violations violations of the 1970's codes under which the home was constructed, or violations of the current code, or both? And, under what code provision were the hardwired smokes required. Is the process by which you became involved that the electrician pulled a permit to perform the work above and you were performing an electrical inspection?

I would recommended the rock, but I would not require it. Already, you have an owner that is spending some dollars to upgrade electrical issues, because they had a water leak.

Make them perform even more upgrades . . . this is exactly why so many people avoid obtaining permits resulting in inspections in the first place.

The real result of "over-inspecting" is to develop a resistance to having work performed in a manner that includes permitting and inspecting.
 
Can't re-write what's in the code... the public had plenty of opportunity to comment... "we" were so interested in getting sprinklers INTO the code, we didn't pay attention to other provisions...
 
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