Type 1R enclosure

[ICE]

The contractor was not there for the inspection. He removed the cover/deadfront of a Type 1R enclosure. The owner was kind enough to hold open the door to the outer cover. My questions for the forum are....

1. Would you cite the existing Type 1R as being in a wet location?
2. If this was a new panel installation would you allow this?
3. If not a wet location, would you consider it a damp location because of condensation.



I may have asked these questions before but I am old so bear with me.

 

[SCBO1]

1. Maybe, maybe not
2. I'd have to think about it
3. I'd consider it a moist location.

 

[ICE]

3. I'd consider it a moist location.

Well that's moist considerate of you.

 

[ICE]

2. I'd have to think about it

I'll wait here.

 

[ICE]

1. Maybe, maybe not

So it's definitely a violation but since it is existing and the permit is for a PV system you might be inclined to overlook it?.....or you are undecided about whether it is a violation?

 

[ICE]

I'll tell you that I might overlook the violation because it is old and existing but adding PV is not an option. Now that's just me....Shirley, there are other opinions and I want to hear them. There is also a violation of the working space.....and the door does not come off. I get different opinions from people in my own building dept. Contractors argue that they do this in many places without a problem. For that matter, we may have blessed it years ago.

 

[jar546]

A NEMA type 1 has no place on the exterior of a building. For new installation, of course not. For existing I would notify the homeowner and/or do a permit research to find out when it was put in.

 

[steveray]

If it was "never approve-able", we would send a violation to the homeowner, and get the correction..

 

[SCBO1]

1. Would you cite the existing Type 1R as being in a wet location?
2. If this was a new panel installation would you allow this?
3. If not a wet location, would you consider it a damp location because of condensation.

1. Maybe, maybe not, Existing install? would have to find where and when it was installed and find the Inspector that did't know there's a Type 3 or 3R for outdoor use. Maybe a permit wasn't issued? How's that work if an inspector had a brain cramp and another inspector catches a mistake?
2. I'd have to think about it, I'm done thinking about it now, I'd say NO!
3. I'd consider it a moist location. It's considered slightly wet IMHO

Most of our residential panels are inside.

 

[Norcal]

I have seen those aftermarket covers used on mobile homes to use a indoor panel outdoors, lets face it trailers are built as cheap as possible, but don't care for them myself, but might not be a good example since trailers are built to HUD standards.

You can call them mobile homes, manufactured homes, but a trailer by any other name is still a trailer.