Most government offices do not have full bathrooms, smoke detectors in the room and just outside of the door, egress windows, closet (well they may have a closet), convenience outlets... you know residence dwelling unit design.brudgers said:Looks like, doesn't mean squat...or to put it another way, are you going to treat government offices as rooms used for sleeping?
In a sleep clinic you are monitored at all times.steveray said:B probably.....maybe throw in some smokes and CO....would you call a sleep clinic an R or B? Tough to say from here....I have slept on the kitchen counter, but I wouldn't call it a bedroom....
So mixed-use R-2/B and require an automatic sprinkler system?gbhammer said:How do you classify a doggie day care that has a room that looks like a bedroom for a "night watchman"?
Planning would be the place to start. Check your planning & zoning regs. Here we would call it a kennel and inform the owner that it would have to be located in the "M" zone (Industrial). And yes, planning will be having a cow, or maybe kittens, at the very least. You have to consider the noise factor when building a facility such as what is proposed.gbhammer said:How do you classify a doggie day care that has a room that looks like a bedroom for a "night watchman"?
It is a 2,100 sq. ft. addition to an existing mystery building (as far as the plans go) that is already a kennel. Zoning has them now for the next two plus months for full site development.Alias said:Planning would be the place to start. Check your planning & zoning regs. Here we would call it a kennel and inform the owner that it would have to be located in the "M" zone (Industrial). And yes, planning will be having a cow, or maybe kittens, at the very least. You have to consider the noise factor when building a facility such as what is proposed. Overnight sleeping quarters - R-2, Kennel - B
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So even if the sleeping unit is accessory would it not be a Group R fire area and so require sprinklers?gbhammer said:I do believe the bedroom is less than 10% of the over all building area I just need the architect to give me some code block data so I can verify that. Unfortunatly the draftsman/residential designer is not licensed and the architect appears to have done little or no work other than stamp the plans. All the general notes are from the IRC. The soil report and footings are a joke, and well... same story new day.
I think your right about the classification however if they do not separate the bedroom from the B use then because an R use fire area is required to be protected the whole addition needs to be protected.imhotep said:So even if the sleeping unit is accessory would it not be a Group R fire area and so require sprinklers?2009 IBC
508.2.2 Occupancy classification. Accessory occupancies shall be individually classified in accordance with Section 302.1. The requirements of this code shall apply to each portion of the building based on the occupancy classification of that space.
903.2.8 Group R. An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. [F]
Your correct. I just can't understand why with all the different scenarios out there there isn't an exception or two to the sprinklering requirements.permitguy said:If there's a group R fire area, the building must be sprinklered throughout (not just the R). I'd ask for more information and classify accordingly. Based on several previous debates, a full 13 system would be required by most contributors here for areas beyond the R.
Like MT said....it's a "B" but as others alluded to get documentation that they were aware of the requirements for a "R" use with sprinkling throughout a building containing an "R" use. This way your covered if another authority discovers the night watchman's quarters and cites corrective actions. It will also cover both authorities should the worst case happen and the fingers begin to point.gbhammer said:Use classification for "Doggie Day care" that... How do you classify a doggie day care that has a room that looks like a bedroom for a "night watchman"?