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Yankee Chronicler

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A restaurant in town is erecting a 30-foot x 120-foot pre-engineered steel building as an expanded dining area attached to their existing building. From the very start, back in late winter/early spring, they have resisted every request for proper construction documents. When we finally got to what was supposed to a plan that was close enough to approve a foundation-only permit, of course they forged right ahead and also framed the floor (the entire building will have a full basement, for storage).

Now they're siding the structure, and the guys found that they're moved the exit doors -- with no amended drawings having been submitted. The X-bracing for the pre-engineered frames hasn't been installed. And they're framing a huge barn door in one end wall -- which, of course, is supposed to have X-bracing right through where the door is being framed..

"Why would you need a huge barn door in a dining room?" you might ask. Good question. The answer is that they own a railroad caboose that they plan to roll in and out of the space for seasonal "decor." Problem -- a caboose weighs somewhere between 50,000 and 80,000 pounds. I found plans for a fairly typical looking caboose that showed the trucks spaced 20 feet apart -- the wheelbase. Standard railroad gauge is 4'-8" for wheel track width. There's a line of columns along the buildng centerline in the basement at 30 feet on center. If I take a 5-foot strip of one bay I get a code-mandated live load of 30' x 5' x 100 = 15,000 pounds (uniformly distributed). Now they want to roll in a train car that's going to put four 20,000 pound concentrated loads onto a strip of floor that was probably only designed to hold 15,000 pounds total. (I'm betting they didn't tell the structural engineer to design for a caboose in the dining room.)

And when we tell them they need to provide structural calculations showing that the floor will support the load, they'll throw a hissy fit and accuse us of just trying to be obstructive.

I love my work but I don't always love the people we have to deal with. You just can't make this stuff up.
 
Hold your position, folks that are doing the wrong thing need to be held accountable. At the end of the day, you control issuing the COO!
 
A stop work order should have been posted and formal notification to the responsible party a while ago. Site the violations and right to appeal. arrange all the document is chronologic order, with arrows and circles point to the violation and sections, request for needed information. When you supervisors questions you plop a copy in front of them and say hud?
 
Tell them the caboose has to be inside before they get a CO, and don't say "I told you so" when it ends up in the basement!
 
I thought I presented my fair share of problem children, but you win. All aboard the crazy train.
 
I agree that this project is over due for a stop work order until their documentation catches up with construction, which seems like a stretch at this point. Might want to put the brakes on the project before somebody gets hurt.
 
A restaurant in town is erecting a 30-foot x 120-foot pre-engineered steel building as an expanded dining area attached to their existing building. From the very start, back in late winter/early spring, they have resisted every request for proper construction documents. When we finally got to what was supposed to a plan that was close enough to approve a foundation-only permit, of course they forged right ahead and also framed the floor (the entire building will have a full basement, for storage).

Now they're siding the structure, and the guys found that they're moved the exit doors -- with no amended drawings having been submitted. The X-bracing for the pre-engineered frames hasn't been installed. And they're framing a huge barn door in one end wall -- which, of course, is supposed to have X-bracing right through where the door is being framed..

"Why would you need a huge barn door in a dining room?" you might ask. Good question. The answer is that they own a railroad caboose that they plan to roll in and out of the space for seasonal "decor." Problem -- a caboose weighs somewhere between 50,000 and 80,000 pounds. I found plans for a fairly typical looking caboose that showed the trucks spaced 20 feet apart -- the wheelbase. Standard railroad gauge is 4'-8" for wheel track width. There's a line of columns along the buildng centerline in the basement at 30 feet on center. If I take a 5-foot strip of one bay I get a code-mandated live load of 30' x 5' x 100 = 15,000 pounds (uniformly distributed). Now they want to roll in a train car that's going to put four 20,000 pound concentrated loads onto a strip of floor that was probably only designed to hold 15,000 pounds total. (I'm betting they didn't tell the structural engineer to design for a caboose in the dining room.)

And when we tell them they need to provide structural calculations showing that the floor will support the load, they'll throw a hissy fit and accuse us of just trying to be obstructive.

I love my work but I don't always love the people we have to deal with. You just can't make this stuff up.
Are you the AHJ? Red tag it! You can not install siding until the HS bolting special inspection has been done and the x-bracing has been installed. This is a messed up project. Wondering how it was allowed to get out of hand.
We get our working drawings a month before the delivery of the materials. I am at a loss as to how they got this far.
 
Politics or weak AHJ?

The AHJ is my boss. Not a weak AHJ. The problem is a combination of an owner who views the building code as an obstruction to be avoided and ignored at every step, combined with an aging, semi-retired structural engineer who doesn't think he has any role in special inspections.

Politics will raise their ugly head if we issue a stop work order, but it's looking like we may have to go that route.
 
The AHJ is my boss. Not a weak AHJ. The problem is a combination of an owner who views the building code as an obstruction to be avoided and ignored at every step, combined with an aging, semi-retired structural engineer who doesn't think he has any role in special inspections.

Politics will raise their ugly head if we issue a stop work order, but it's looking like we may have to go that route.

Looking at what I've read so far, I'm actually quite baffled as to why that hasn't happened a long time ago.

As the AHJ, we have a duty to uphold, politics be damned. (I once wrote a meaty Order on a municipal building.)
 
Looking at what I've read so far, I'm actually quite baffled as to why that hasn't happened a long time ago.

Because, despite a lengthy, drawn-out, and very contentious plan review and permitting process, once construction began things moved VERY fast and by the time we realized there were no special inspection reports because nobody had thought it was their job to pick up the phone and call the testing agency, the foundation had been poured and the suspended floor had been framed.
 
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