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What would you do? Occupant load distribution

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I know of no specific code for how OL MUST be distributed beyond 1005.5 ('21 IBC) for the loss of of one exit. If I have a classroom with 100 occupants and all occupants can fit through one door does the required capacity at the other door need to demonstrate that it could handle 50 occupants? Does that load need to be accounted for in the exit capacity leading from the other door all the way to exit discharge? I say yes to both questions, but I have a DP who continually tries to herd all occupants to one door becuse if they need to extend that load out the other door it increases all exit access doors leading from the space. I keep commenting, then he does it again on the next project. In the current project this occurs in multiple locations, involving hundreds of occupants (in addition to the specific classroom example).

If I have a large space with 1872 occupants and six exit access/exit doors (all marked), an equal distribution would be 312 occupants at each door. If one exit is lost then the capacity of the other 5 must still allow the 1872 occupants to pass, so 375 at each door. If the exit capacity of the 5 remaining doors can handle this, can they contribute 0 occupants to the path of egress from that one door all the way to discharge? I think they can but I am not figuring in "likely" exit pathways or occupant behavior, only citable code, but I Shirly would if I could with a citable code. I try to stay away from a generic "hazard to life safety" position if I can.
 
I always distribute occupant loads as evenly as possible among the available exits. This ensures the means of egress capacity is equitably maintained until the exit discharge. If one shows all of the occupants egressing through one door, they must still show that the other exit access door can handle 50% of the occupant load and that the remainder of the means of egress system can handle that 50% plus the other occupant loads within the building using that same means of egress system to the exit discharge.
 
Predicating design on predicted behavior is allowed until there is a code for that.
 
1010.1.1 Size of doors.
The required capacity of each door opening shall be sufficient for the occupant load thereof and shall provide a minimum clear opening width of 32 inches (813 mm). The clear opening width of doorways with swinging doors shall be measured between the face of the door and the stop, with the door open 90 degrees (1.57 rad). Where this section requires a minimum clear opening width of 32 inches (813 mm) and a door opening includes two door leaves without a mullion, one leaf shall provide a minimum clear opening width of 32 inches

The capacity is 160 people out a single door 32 inch clear opening. The corridor in an "E" occupancy is a minimum 72 inches which will serve 360 people.

but I have a DP who continually tries to herd all occupants to one door becuse if they need to extend that load out the other door it increases all exit access doors leading from the space.
He obviously does not understand "means of egress" and sizing of the egress path. He needs to attend a few classes.
 
This may be the 3rd project with them that they have done the same thing. I have commented and they have rectified it on the previous reviews. You would think that is all the class they need, but maybe they just keep throwing things against the wall hoping they will stick. On the other hand, I am happy to receive training from them on why I am wrong, but they aren't offering any.
 
I will only add that in the type of spaces I work on - theatres with fixed seating - it's often not as simple as dividing the occupant load by number of doors. I usually divide the occupants up proportional to egress capacity, which is usually limited by aisles, with or without stairs, and doors. Rarely are all the separate means of egress the same capacity, single leaf doors towards the stage and double leaves at the rear being typical.
 
I will only add that in the type of spaces I work on - theatres with fixed seating - it's often not as simple as dividing the occupant load by number of doors. I usually divide the occupants up proportional to egress capacity, which is usually limited by aisles, with or without stairs, and doors. Rarely are all the separate means of egress the same capacity, single leaf doors towards the stage and double leaves at the rear being typical.

Theaters, though (as you know), are a special case. With theaters you have to deal with catchment areas, aisles, aisle access, maximum numbers of seats from an aisle ... parameters that don't apply to anything other than theaters (or maybe sports arenas, but those usually have distributed egress so they're a different kind of special case).
 
Theaters, though (as you know), are a special case. With theaters you have to deal with catchment areas, aisles, aisle access, maximum numbers of seats from an aisle ... parameters that don't apply to anything other than theaters (or maybe sports arenas, but those usually have distributed egress so they're a different kind of special case).
But some of the same issues arise with doors of different sizes, mezzanines, and fixed instructions. Maybe a ballroom or very simple cafeteria is as simple as dividing occupant loaf by number of doors, but surprised an 1872 occupant load room is so simple and straight forward. Somewhere in the 14000 to 28000 SF range. BFR
 
This is a case in which the code says what the code says, and then the commentary says more than what the code says. Back in the mid-90s, my state was under an amended version of the BOCA National Building Code. At the time I was working as a code consultant in an architecture firm that did nothing other than code consulting. Somewhere along about the mid-1990s there was a change in the BOCA code that had us basically apportioning the occupant load from each room or space in half as the path of egress travel exited the room (assuming a single door, such as a standard classroom in a school) and having half of the occupants turn left toward one exit, and the other half turn right toward a different exit. The result was some very convoluted looking exit diagrams, but that was the way the State Building Inspector's office said we were supposed to be doing it. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of any of the 1990s BOCA code books readily available, so I can't look up the language at this point.

But the current (2021) IBC language seems pretty clear:

1005.5 Distribution of minimum width and required capacity.
Where more than one exit, or access to more than one exit,
is required, the means of egress shall be configured such that
the loss of any one exit, or access to one exit, shall not reduce
the available capacity or width to less than 50 percent of the
required capacity or width.

But then read the Commentary:

 It is critical that the distribution of both egress capacity
and minimum width are examined. Where multiple
means of egress are required, the loss of any one path
cannot reduce the available capacity or width to less
than 50 percent. The 50-percent minimum of the
required egress capacity and width results in a fairly
uniform distribution of egress paths. This requirement
does not, however, require that the capacities be
equally distributed where more than two means of

egress are provided. An egress design with a dramatic
imbalance of egress component capacities relative to
occupant load distribution should be reviewed closely
to avoid a needless delay in egressing a story or area.
The balancing of the means of egress components, in
accordance with the distribution of the occupant load,
is reasonable and, in some cases, necessary for facilities
having mixed occupancies with dramatically different

occupant loads.

So the code lords giveth, and they taketh away. The Commentary says the code does NOT require that capacities be equally distributed if there are more than two means of egress ... and then it turns around and says that balancing of egress components may be necessary. When the Commentary does stuff like this, I just have to remind myself that the Commentary is not the code, and I can't enforce it. All I can enforce is the code (as adopted by my state's legislature -- errata and all, in some cases).

And don't forget the special condition that applies to places of assembly with occupant loads of more than 300:

1030.2 Assembly main exit. A building, room or space used
for assembly purposes that has an occupant load of greater
than 300 and is provided with a main exit, that main exit shall
be of sufficient capacity to accommodate not less than one-half
of the occupant load, but such capacity shall be not less than
the total required capacity of all means of egress leading to the

exit. Where the building is classified as a Group A occupancy,
the main exit shall front on not less than one street or an unoccupied
space of not less than 10 feet (3048 mm) in width that
adjoins a street or public way. In a building, room or space
used for assembly purposes where there is not a well-defined
main exit or where multiple main exits are provided, exits shall
be permitted to be distributed around the perimeter of the
building provided that the total capacity of egress is not less
than 100 percent of the required capacity.

This is actually a reduction. Under the BOCA code, the main exit for large assembly spaces was required to provide capacity for two-thirds of the occupant load, irrespective of the number or capacity of other exits. This was predicated on the human propensity to head for the way they came in in the event of an emergency.

1030.3 Assembly other exits. In addition to having access to a
main exit, each level in a building used for assembly purposes
having an occupant load greater than 300 and provided with a
main exit, shall be provided with additional means of egress
that shall provide an egress capacity for not less than one-half
of the total occupant load served by that level and shall
comply with Section 1007.1. In a building used for assembly
purposes where there is not a well-defined main exit or where
multiple main exits are provided, exits for each level shall be
permitted to be distributed around the perimeter of the building,
provided that the total width of egress is not less than 100
percent of the required width.
 
I will only add that in the type of spaces I work on - theatres with fixed seating - it's often not as simple as dividing the occupant load by number of doors. I usually divide the occupants up proportional to egress capacity, which is usually limited by aisles, with or without stairs, and doors. Rarely are all the separate means of egress the same capacity, single leaf doors towards the stage and double leaves at the rear being typical.
I will ask an experts opinion....

This school has a theater with 500 fixed seats, more than the 7/per ratio of 441 based on area of 3086sf² but as long as the MOE can handle I see no issues. They post the maximum OL at 500. The theater has two entrances/exits with 68" clear double door vestibules. The stage is 2410sf² @ 15/per for 161 occupants. They contribute 10 occupants each down the stairs and ramp located at the front of the stage on each side which adds to the theater exiting occupant load, and the remaining 141 out a double door vestibule at the back of the stage 68" clear. An equal distribution would be 47 at each path, but I'm not sure equal distribution would match panic exiting behavior. What do you think? If the equal distribution were employed it would add to the theater exits into a space that is already problematic. If the 141 at the rear of the stage remains as is, it overloads the exit path out of the building at the back. The theater itself doesn't seem to have any capacity issues in the MOE, but where they go once outside the theater becomes an issue so distribution is critical.

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You don't mention the single leaf door down sheet center but it's shown swinging in so will not count it. So exit access doors totalling 1020 capacity (3 @ 340). Total occupant load of 661. I'm assuming no restrictions between exit access doors and public way.

I would show 221 at each double door. I could accept showing 250 at auditorium doors and 161 at stage door, but I usually assume balanced use of the means of egress.

I think it would have made a lot better design to have a left and right egress from stage - even if unequal - and say that handled the stage. Then the two in house handle the seats. I used to wonder about the extra people standing in back but learned/was told the numbers are not that exact and several standees with 500 fixed seats is not a problem.

Its possible a seating layout could change this but it seems unlikely. And a lot of egress issues not touched upon in seating layout.

I think manufacturers can fit 500 fixed seats ( well 494 + 6 WC spaces) in 3068 SF but they'll have to use seats narrower than most people are comfortable sitting in. (I'm assuming that area is sidewall to sidewalk, stage edge to rear wall.) That's only 6.1 SF per seat and I recently looked at a bunch of school auditoriums and they averaged 7.7 to 8.3 SF per seat. My projects have an average seat width of 21.5" - center to center - so you will be quite a bit below that. Not sure if it's all 18" s but tight and adults will complain. Someone should reach out to a seating manufacturer and ask for a layout. I suspect they'll make stage smaller before it's done.

That's a quick review.
 
You don't mention the single leaf door down sheet center but it's shown swinging in so will not count it. So exit access doors totalling 1020 capacity (3 @ 340). Total occupant load of 661. I'm assuming no restrictions between exit access doors and public way.

I would show 221 at each double door. I could accept showing 250 at auditorium doors and 161 at stage door, but I usually assume balanced use of the means of egress.

I think it would have made a lot better design to have a left and right egress from stage - even if unequal - and say that handled the stage. Then the two in house handle the seats. I used to wonder about the extra people standing in back but learned/was told the numbers are not that exact and several standees with 500 fixed seats is not a problem.

Its possible a seating layout could change this but it seems unlikely. And a lot of egress issues not touched upon in seating layout.

I think manufacturers can fit 500 fixed seats ( well 494 + 6 WC spaces) in 3068 SF but they'll have to use seats narrower than most people are comfortable sitting in. (I'm assuming that area is sidewall to sidewalk, stage edge to rear wall.) That's only 6.1 SF per seat and I recently looked at a bunch of school auditoriums and they averaged 7.7 to 8.3 SF per seat. My projects have an average seat width of 21.5" - center to center - so you will be quite a bit below that. Not sure if it's all 18" s but tight and adults will complain. Someone should reach out to a seating manufacturer and ask for a layout. I suspect they'll make stage smaller before it's done.

That's a quick review.
Why they chose to show 10 at each stage exit is a mystery. The back stage exit exit path to discharge is overloaded because they show 0 occupants from 2 other rooms and all at the other exits from those rooms. If they unloaded the stage more equally, it would relieve some of that pressure. BUT, the exit path from the auditorium is grossly overloaded because they pull the same thing from the other spaces that feed into that path, so I guess they picked their least compromised strategy. This whole thing is a mess. It is what happens when you design a building to be all things to all people, at all times, in all circumstances. JMO, but it seems they got a lot of money to build a school but decided the entire town could use it, and the neighboring towns.

No idea why that other door at the midpoint crosses into the theater, but it kind of looks like some sort of ticket counter/booth/service desk is sitting just outside of it. Not sure if it is to serve the theater, or the space it is in or both. I have asked them to identify the main entry points. I have not made it to the floor plans, accessibility or anything else yet, and probably won't until I can figure out some of the larger egress issues.

The seating plan I glanced at shows 6 W/C and companion seats. Have not looked any further at aisles or aisle accessways yet. The area figure comes from the purple dashed square (furniture plan below is pasted in), not wall to wall or stage edge to back wall. So the sf²/seat may be tight if they hold that, but the viewers comfort isn't on my list of priorities at this point.

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And now I see where the double FW thread comes from...
Yep, and that particular wall has so many holes in it they appear to exceed the allowable width. I say "appear" because they don't share that data, so I can only scale it. They will get the honor of sharing it with me.
 
Ttelescopic seating? Check occupancy loads when folded.

I think they are pushing the CPET/ dead end aisle limits. Might just work.

Curious no seats in last row of one aisle. Is that an inaccessible control room by some chance?

Ultimately, they have enough width in exit access doors for the stage and auditorium together, and the minimum 3 m.o.e. Personally, I never liked the idea of audience egress through a stage because lots of things get stacked shoved, and stored everywhere backstage, but it is permitted. I have thought proposing a change to the code to prohibit it. If feel my chances of getting through a restaurant kitchen are better than through a stage.

Code is a necessary condition, but not necessarily sufficient.
 
That doesn't really look like wheelchair dispersion to me either......
I think all front row is allowed in bleachers, which is why I asked if these were retractable. Some conditions allow it. But I generally think this is poor design, and I haven't even seen the section.
 
The plan says 500 fixed seats. I can't imagine how even the dumbest of design professionals can put on the same page "500 fixed seats" and "441 occupants." That takes a very special level of incompetence.
 
32" rows are going to make people scream. But the code problem is going to be dead end aisles. Hard to imagine with 32" row spacing there will be the extra aisle access way width to accommodate the crossover required beyond 5 rows dead end.
 
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