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When "that other municipality" does not enforce the codes

Discussion in 'Residential Building Codes' started by jar546, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:05 AM.

  1. jar546

    jar546 *****istrator

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    Here is a very good example of why we hear excuses from contractors. In this case another municipality issued a permit, inspected and signed off on this installation. What issues do you see here that they missed?
    deck1.jpg deck2.jpg deck3.jpg deck4.jpg deck5.jpg deck6.jpg deck7.jpg
     
  2. steveray

    steveray Sawhorse

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    Ledger attachment and flashing, openings at stairs/ guards, overspanned decking likely at stairs, stringer support (although there is not a good code section for that, not sure how the posts are attached at the bottom, looks like they have a double rim and single-ply beam?
     
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  3. TheCommish

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    I can not be responsible for the actions or lack of action of the neighboring jurisdictions inspector. I am responsible to enforce the code as written and I will even try to explain it to you if you will listen, not argue. It is my signature on the occupancy or completion certificate not the neighbors, architect, engineers or your friend who told you it was ok.
     
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  4. e hilton

    e hilton Bronze Member

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    Top of stair stringers attached with anti-gravity paint. In picture 2, looks like the double rim board-joist on the left is not properly attached to the ledger. Ledger is attached to the house with the same anti-gravity paint ... don’t see a post at the house so its not self-supporting.
     
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  5. Pcinspector1

    Pcinspector1 Platinum Member

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    Give em a SimpsonStrongTie catalog and hope for the best!
     
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  6. Ty J.

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    Easier to list whats right than whats wrong.

    Ain't a whole lot that is right with that deck.
     
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  7. Rick18071

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    Not sure what you mean that it was signed off? Do you mean the plan review? I don't think this project is finished so things still might be changed. We shouldn't judge until a CO. Please take a photo when it's finished.

    Some more:
    AC hanging by a rope from the stairway. It least it's over 6" from the ground.
    What's with the area where there is no siding where you can see brick above the deck? Might cause water to get behind window flashing.
    Would like to see the header for the garage door opening.
    looks like 4x4's posts for top stairway landing, need 6x6 if over 8' high.
    last deck joist has no joist bracket.

    Looks like might be just 2x4 joists for the garage roof. No tables for a roof with a slope less than 3/12. Here in the north it would need to be engineered. But how do you handle it where there is no snow?
     
  8. jar546

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    Those stairs looked exactly the same for the next 3 years that I lived next to that house with the only change being vinyl siding. Thank you BIU for setting the example.
     
  9. Pcinspector1

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    That ledger attachment or lack of scares me.:eek:
     
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  10. Rick18071

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    Legally they should not use it till a CO but we are not cops.
    Not BIU anymore
     
  11. ADAguy

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    Wait till they try to sell it and a home inspector writes up a report (smiling).
     
  12. e hilton

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    At least then it will get addressed. Unfortunately the house may never get sold, so th only change will be that the condition if the deck deteriorates.
     
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    Nice deck.

    Don't invite me over for the party.
     
  14. ADAguy

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    Super Bowl party ='s too many bodies on deck ='s potential for failure.
     
  15. BLangley

    BLangley Registered User

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    Decks terrify me anymore.

    One of the communities I manage, townhouse style condos, has a bunch of decks that are so clearly wrong its not funny. Pretty sure the builder did the original ones wrong 40 years ago, and some folks rebuilt them, using the same size 4x4 posts and set them on a cracked and sinking 4" patio at the basement walkout. A few have them rebuilt properly.
     
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    We had something similar here. 4x4 embedded in the ground. Contractor came to us about 2 years ago and just wanted to put 4x4 on deck blocks. We made him put a 6x6 on a proper foundation (per code). He has since done this same repair to most of the other units.
     
  18. BLangley

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    No, but they had a rough patch with prior management company 10-20 years ago when some of the rebuilds likely happened so they weren't monitored as they should have been. County doesn't care they were done without permits as they are over 3 years old.

    I get periodic messaging out about having decks inspected as part of proper maintenance, and note problems/issue violations I see compared to the county deck building guide so it shows up on a resale certificate that hopefully the buyer reads and gets it resolved then.
     
  19. ADAguy

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    Decks owned by HOA?
    Do they have a reserve study done every 5 years? Maintenance budget?
    What does insurance company exclude?
    You have a ticking time bomb on your hands.
     
  20. BLangley

    BLangley Registered User

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    No- the decks are owner improvements. Not mentioned in sales flyers (still have an original one) or shown on plats.

    I'm sure they will end up having to rebuild some out of pocket and try to collect from the owners.
     

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