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Why I Like the Florida Building Code Residential Chapter 34

jar546

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Because it is smart enough to point right to the NFPA 70, aka NEC for the electrical section instead of trying to rewrite the NEC into the IRC Chapter 34

E3401.1 Applicability.​

Electrical systems, equipment and components for buildings under the scope of this code shall comply with the applicable provisions of NFPA 70, National Electrical Code.
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E3401.2 Scope.​

Reserved.
 
jar546 said:
Because it is smart enough to point right to the NFPA 70, aka NEC for the electrical section instead of trying to rewrite the NEC into the IRC Chapter 34

E3401.1 Applicability.​

Electrical systems, equipment and components for buildings under the scope of this code shall comply with the applicable provisions of NFPA 70, National Electrical Code.
apps

E3401.2 Scope.​

Reserved.
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But then how do the electricians know about smoke and CO and air sealed boxes and such?
 
Basically the same here in Canada.

Building code tells you when and where you need some devices.
Electrical code tells you how to install them.
 
jar546 said:
Training and education? Do you honestly think they even read the IRC? They learn by failing inspections.
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I don't think they read the NEC....My argument for keeping electrical in the IRC is the "one book is all you need" theory....If they don't open any books, I can't help them....
 
mtlogcabin said:
The 2012 IRC had an appendix that made it easy to cross reference the two codes

APPENDIX Q ICC INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE ELECTRICAL PROVISIONS NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE CROSS REFERENCE - 2012 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE (IRC)

ICC Digital Codes is the largest provider of model codes, custom codes and standards used worldwide to construct safe, sustainable, affordable and resilient structures.
codes.iccsafe.org codes.iccsafe.org
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Still unnecessary. There is one electrical code, so why bastardize it to fit into the IRC? It already exists.

Oh wait, I know why. So the ICC can create a lesser, easier electrical inspector category. Now I get it.
 
jar546 said:
Still unnecessary. There is one electrical code, so why bastardize it to fit into the IRC? It already exists.

Oh wait, I know why. So the ICC can create a lesser, easier electrical inspector category. Now I get it.
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Well they are teamed up with IAEI now so maybe that will help?
 
jar546 said:
There is one electrical code, so why bastardize it to fit into the IRC?
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2018 IRC
The International Residential Code (IRC) establishes minimum requirements for one- and two family dwellings and townhouses using prescriptive provisions. It is founded on broad-based principles that make possible the use of new materials and new building designs.

The benefits of devoting a separate code to residential construction include the fact that the user need not navigate through a multitude of code provisions that do not apply to residential construction in order to locate that which is applicable. A separate code also allows for residential and nonresidential code provisions to be distinct and tailored to the structures that fall within the appropriate code's scopes.

It is important to understand that the IRC contains coverage for what is conventional and common in residential construction practice.

Chapter 35 Electrical Definitions. Chapter 35 is the repository of the definitions of terms used in the body of Part VIII of the code. To avoid the potential for confusion and conflicting definitions, Part VIII, Electrical, has its own definition chapter.

Codes are technical documents and every word, term and punctuation mark can impact the meaning of the code text and the intended results. The code often uses terms that have a unique meaning in the code, which can differ substantially from the ordinarily understood meaning of the term as used outside of the code.

The terms defined in Chapter 35 are deemed to be of prime importance in establishing the meaning and intent of the electrical code text that uses the terms. The user of the code should be familiar with and consult this chapter because the definitions are essential to the correct interpretation of the code and because the user may not be aware that a term is defined.
 
Most competent electricians do both residential and commercial wiring and know where to find requirements in the NEC. The IRC electrical chapter would just confuse them.
 
Paul Sweet said:
Most competent electricians
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The key word is competent. From what ice has posted over the years it would seem they are view and far between. How about the homeowner that is working on his home, new construction, remodel or addition.

Paul Sweet said:
The IRC electrical chapter would just confuse them.
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Then they don't have to use it.
 
About this chapter:
Chapter 34 contains broadly applicable requirements including provisions for the protection of the structural elements of a building, inspection of work, general installation and conductor identification. This chapter requires that all electrical system components be listed and labeled by an approved agency. The electrical provisions of this code are identical to the intent of the NEC provisions except that this code requires all electrical system components be listed and labeled. The code does not contain unique electrical requirements. A dwelling built to the code will have electrical systems identical to those required by the respective edition of the NEC. This code addresses only those electrical systems that are common to dwelling construction, and the NEC is referenced for any subject not addressed in the code.

You don't have to like Chapter 34 and you do not have to use it
 
mtlogcabin said:
About this chapter:
Chapter 34 contains broadly applicable requirements including provisions for the protection of the structural elements of a building, inspection of work, general installation and conductor identification. This chapter requires that all electrical system components be listed and labeled by an approved agency. The electrical provisions of this code are identical to the intent of the NEC provisions except that this code requires all electrical system components be listed and labeled. The code does not contain unique electrical requirements. A dwelling built to the code will have electrical systems identical to those required by the respective edition of the NEC. This code addresses only those electrical systems that are common to dwelling construction, and the NEC is referenced for any subject not addressed in the code.

You don't have to like Chapter 34 and you do not have to use it
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But inspectors enforcing it to and have to learn the location of violations all over again.
 
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