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- Thread starter ICE
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It seems odd that the electricity wasn't turned off. "Don't touch our poles 'cause that might kill you". A Public Service Announcement makes you look fat.
I was there for a PV inspection and while checking the smoke and co alarms I found this.
This is the finished product and has been this way for a long time. The craftsmanship is quite good.
This is the finished product and has been this way for a long time. The craftsmanship is quite good.
fatboy
Administrator
Impressive..........look at the smokes and CO's, and move on.
Maybe on the DL, advise that the installation is not compliant, for future use.
Maybe on the DL, advise that the installation is not compliant, for future use.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
We would advise the owner/occupant that it does not meet code and what the safety risk is. We would also be very clear that we cannot force them to do anything, but if they choose to fix the problem, what the code would require.
mtlogcabin
SAWHORSE
You sure can make them correct it under the IRC or IBC so what prohibits you from getting it corrected in Canada?
steveray
SAWHORSE
(Amd) R102.7 Existing structures. The legal occupancy of any building or structure existing on
the date of adoption of this code shall be permitted to continue without change, except as
specifically covered in this code.
We would have to prove when it was built or modified to even begin to cite a violation...
Inspector Gift
SAWHORSE
The building has been altered and now has one or more serious life/safety violations. Now that the life/safety violation has become known, it is the duty of the building official to take action.
R102.7.1 Additions, alterations or repairs. Additions,
alterations or repairs to any structure shall conform to the
requirements for a new structure without requiring the
existing structure to comply with the requirements of this
code, unless otherwise stated. Additions, alterations,
repairs and relocations shall not cause an existing structure
to become unsafe or adversely affect the performance of
the building.
R110.5 Revocation. The building official shall, in writing,
suspend or revoke a certificate of occupancy issued under the
provisions of this code wherever the certificate is issued in
error, or on the basis of incorrect information supplied, or
where it is determined that the building or structure or portion
thereof is in violation of any ordinance or regulation or any of
the provisions of this code.
R102.7.1 Additions, alterations or repairs. Additions,
alterations or repairs to any structure shall conform to the
requirements for a new structure without requiring the
existing structure to comply with the requirements of this
code, unless otherwise stated. Additions, alterations,
repairs and relocations shall not cause an existing structure
to become unsafe or adversely affect the performance of
the building.
R110.5 Revocation. The building official shall, in writing,
suspend or revoke a certificate of occupancy issued under the
provisions of this code wherever the certificate is issued in
error, or on the basis of incorrect information supplied, or
where it is determined that the building or structure or portion
thereof is in violation of any ordinance or regulation or any of
the provisions of this code.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
It is a violation of that resident's charter rights. Unreasonable Search and Seizure. I am not there to inspect the whole house. I am there to inspect an element that has been required based on upgrades to the house. However, I would be negligent if I noted a glaring safety hazard and did not inform the occupant, so I must inform them.
There are no permits for anything after the original house was built except a 15'x20' family room, swimming pool and the recent service panel upgrade.
Rise. run and nosing meet code?
As far as carpet and tile you could say exempted from code requirements if that's all they have done. But if they did framing, electrical, HVAC and drywall work without permits and inspection.
Guardrails, railings and handrail big safety issues. This is where you guys that have your CBO certificates, (legal aspects of the code) should chime in and tell us what liability the inspector has in this situation when code violation(s) are noticed. Stair accidents are high on the list of residential safety issues and are up there with enforcing GFCI, AFCI and SD's.
This is always a problem for the inspector when everything's covered up. I feel for the inspector not the homeowner on a issue like this.
As far as carpet and tile you could say exempted from code requirements if that's all they have done. But if they did framing, electrical, HVAC and drywall work without permits and inspection.
Guardrails, railings and handrail big safety issues. This is where you guys that have your CBO certificates, (legal aspects of the code) should chime in and tell us what liability the inspector has in this situation when code violation(s) are noticed. Stair accidents are high on the list of residential safety issues and are up there with enforcing GFCI, AFCI and SD's.
This is always a problem for the inspector when everything's covered up. I feel for the inspector not the homeowner on a issue like this.
mtlogcabin
SAWHORSE
R101.3 Intent.
The purpose of this code is to establish minimum requirements to safeguard the public safety, (invited guest into the home) health and general welfare through affordability, structural strength, means of egress facilities, stability, sanitation, light and ventilation, energy conservation and safety to life and property from fire and other hazards attributed to the built environment and to provide safety to fire fighters and emergency responders during emergency operations.
R110.5 Revocation.
The building official shall, in writing, suspend or revoke a certificate of occupancy issued under the provisions of this code wherever the certificate is issued in error, or on the basis of incorrect information supplied, or where it is determined that the building or structure or portion thereof is in violation of any ordinance or regulation or any of the provisions of this code.
It is very easy to determine when a home was constructed and if a building code was adopted at the time of construction.
The purpose of this code is to establish minimum requirements to safeguard the public safety, (invited guest into the home) health and general welfare through affordability, structural strength, means of egress facilities, stability, sanitation, light and ventilation, energy conservation and safety to life and property from fire and other hazards attributed to the built environment and to provide safety to fire fighters and emergency responders during emergency operations.
R110.5 Revocation.
The building official shall, in writing, suspend or revoke a certificate of occupancy issued under the provisions of this code wherever the certificate is issued in error, or on the basis of incorrect information supplied, or where it is determined that the building or structure or portion thereof is in violation of any ordinance or regulation or any of the provisions of this code.
It is very easy to determine when a home was constructed and if a building code was adopted at the time of construction.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
The key is looking at charging legislation to see what gives you the authority to enter into a private residence, where there would be a reasonable expectation of privacy, and inspect the building as a whole. Our legislation indicates that I am unable to inspect any other areas of the home, other than the upgrades required as part of the permit. The was termed as "piggy backing" in a superior court ruling and deemed a violation of the individual's charter rights. Your fourth amendment actually provides stronger protection from this than our charter rights.
steveray
SAWHORSE
If I didn't hate the metric system so much, I would move to Canada! LOL
mtlogcabin
SAWHORSE
Some items like the address posting you can just "educated" the occupant as to the importance of posting the address and you are done. The photo of the stairs and not putting the owner on written notice and following up to make sure it gets corrected depending on the state you live could cost you and your jurisdiction a lot of money if someone got hurt.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
Civic numbering is typically under a municipal by-law or provincial act here. The key is that the number must be visible from the public right of way. There is no expectation of privacy of things visible from the public right of way.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
Provided the owner doesn't later claim you violated their constitutional rights by searching a portion of their home you had no authorization to perform a search on.
But once you are invited in, I do not believe that is an illegal search.
As an example, police will regularly ask for permission to search a car/house/backpack/etc.. If one says no, then a warrant is required; if one grants permission and something is found, it would be admissible and would not be constituted as an illegal search.