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Stair landings

e hilton

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I have a reno coming up in DC and I am discussing a stair situation with my AoR. We have determind that only one stair is required, due to occupancy load, travel distance, sprinklers etc but the staff have expressed concern that we are taking away the back stairs. Main floor is at street level, lower level has 2 stairs going up, no other windows or doors.

The first clip is the existing layout, proposed demo in dashed lines. Interior is to the left, double doors go to the exterior. Second clip is proposed. Part of what is driving the design is enlarging the restroom to be accessible, including a baby changer which DC has just added to the requirements. So the idea is to convert the double doors to a single, roughly centered in the masonrybopening. Actually it was always two single doors, one for the lobby and one for the stairs. The proposed clip shows a wall at the top of the stairs, that’s what we are trying to eliminate. And actually if you look close, the location of the proposed wall is actually at the second or third step, conveniently not shown, so we would have to fill in the first steps with concrete. We want a door at the top of the stairs to prevent customers from coming in the back door and going down to the lower level unescorted.

Here’s the question. To make it work out the door at the top of the stairs would have to be within a few inches of the nose of the top tread. AoR is saying 1011.6 requires a landing at the top. We are removing all exit signs for this stair, and not showing it as an egress path. Any ideas on how to make this work?
 

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Security would have a problem with that. A person could enter the back door and gondown the stairs, completely out of sight of the staff. Then they could take their time breaking in. Or more likely … wait at the bottom of the stairs until well after cosing,then go back up and into the branch. No matter how the daily instructions are written, after a week nobody is going to bother to check the bottom of the stairs before locking up.
 
So here is my questions, what is the tread and riser dimensions of the stair flight and what is the landing area size at the bottom of the stair flight?
 
So here is my questions, what is the tread and riser dimensions of the stair flight and what is the landing area size at the bottom of the stair flight?
Have not measured the T&R but they feel normal in use. 42” wide to the walls.

Good question about the bottom landing. Here is a clip, my AoR tells me it is not correct, but can be if we move the door 5 ft to the left, which is possible.

However … looks like we might have a complete change of direction. This is being driven by the need to make one of the restrooms accessible, initially planned to convert the one on the upper floor, now it will probably the one on the lower level. That means the back door and stairs can remain as-is.
 

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E-H,

I do site review and drafting for this type of situation all the time.

If you have the headroom and budget my suggestion is to slide the stairs and move the stair landing in front of the change in direction at the bottom.

This will allow you to expand / slide the upper landing to a point that you need and if the room allows 2 stringers and new treads.

Leave it as a none M.O.E., them push the door in the hall just enough away to meet what you need.

Looks like it might work for you.

Explain option "A" is to close it off like drawn, and option "B" is this, and they cost X,Y&Z and let them decide.
 
Stairs appear to be steel stringers & pans, with poured concrete treads. We already have this issue in the space above the stairs: it covers the headroom clearance for a couple of treads. Shifting the stairs plan south will require this bump to be enlarged, effectively making the office unusable.

We had a call today, approved leaving the stairs and restroom as-is, so this is no longer an issue.
 

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