I am new to the forum have questions about new construction and electrical work installed into code violating framing.

[RobertG]

Would an electrician bear any responsibility for installing new wiring into framing that is clearly and (even dangerously) not to code? The framing must be torn out and re-done therefore the wiring will have to be pulled out and re-done. The wiring was good but installed into extremely bad framing. Is an electrician supposed to be aware of framing code since their work becomes part of it?

 

[ICE]

Is an electrician supposed to be aware of framing code since their work becomes part of it?

Not other than drilling and notching framing members.

 

[jar546]

Would an electrician bear any responsibility for installing new wiring into framing that is clearly and (even dangerously) not to code?

No, it is not their expertise. I had this happen a few times where the GC was supposed to frame with metal but framed with wood in a construction type that does not allow combustible wood framing, and both times, the wiring had to be removed and replaced at the expense of the GC who did not follow the approved plans.

 

[e hilton]

If the gc told the electrician the framing was complete and the wiring could start … it’s on the gc. If the homeowner did the framing and the electrician showed up when requested … on the homeowner.

 

[walker.t]

If the gc told the electrician the framing was complete and the wiring could start … it’s on the gc.

For projects where AIA Documents are being used, there are two provisions that address this.

1. AIA Document A201 (General Conditions of the Contract for Construction) 3.3.3 states, “The Contractor shall be responsible for inspection of portions of Work already performed to determine that such portions are in proper condition to receive subsequent Work.”
2. AIA Document A401 (Standard Form of Agreement Between Contractor and Subcontractor) Article 2 contains the flow-down language that also puts a similar responsibility on the subcontractor to inspect the work in place to make sure it is ready to receive subsequent work.

Even if AIA documents are not used, the general contractor has contracted with the owner to do the work correctly so ultimately it’s the general contractor’s responsibility.

 

[bill1952]

I agree with e hilton. More bluntly, if you hired the framing contractor (or did it yourself) and you hired the electrical contractor, it's all on you. That would apply if you're the owner or general contractor.

 

[jar546]

No response from the original poster. Basically another homeowner not getting told what they wanted to hear. One and done.

 

[Darren Emery]

No response from the original poster. Basically another homeowner not getting told what they wanted to hear. One and done.

You certainly may be right, but it might also be they have not had an opportunity to return to the forum to read responses. Its only been 18hrs since the initial post, and it is the weekend!

 

[bill1952]

More like 36 hours but you may be right. Not all of us check in several times a day 24/7/365.

 

[jar546]

More like 36 hours but you may be right. Not all of us check in several times a day 24/7/365.

I do but I don't have a choice.

 

[bill1952]

I do but I don't have a choice.

Well I do too but I'm retired.

 

[SCBO1]

Is an electrician supposed to be aware of framing code since their work becomes part of it?

Are you talking about the electrician that's certified as a master or the apprentice or Bill Bob the grunt that showed up 45 minutes late and was told by the GC to go drill holes?

A poem called "Sometimes!" or "Tear it out!" or

Sometimes the inspector comes in and sez: "Tear it out!"
Sometimes the GC comes in and sez "Tear it out!"
Sometimes the owner comes in and sez, "Tear it out!"

Sometimes drywall covers it all up and makes the issue go away!
Sometimes it don't!
Sometimes alcohol makes everything look okay!
Sometimes.

 

[mtlogcabin]

Some jurisdictions with combo inspectors require framing and the M,E,P's be done at same time to reduce the number of trips and therefore the travel time and fuel cost involved.