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1016.2.1(5) intervening spaces through kitchen.

ADAguy

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So is this a bar also, and if so more bar than restaurant ???

Just wonder how he will feed 150 people with a microwave and tortilla warmer

I've been wondering the same thing? Is it a sprinklered space? If no open flame or stove or oven then isn't it only a prep area serving a bar?
 

frank.dimambro

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I would view this as a hallway between the food prep area and the dish
washing area

That's how I was looking at it, because the wording of 'going through a kitchen', being applied in this case needs to be explained, because putting up a wall there, or a wall with a door, has the effect of attempting to please, but I'm not convinced enhances exit from the building. All the dish washing is done in the kitchen the room on the other side is the utility room for Mops and some drinks storage.
 

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I've been wondering the same thing? Is it a sprinklered space? If no open flame or stove or oven then isn't it only a prep area serving a bar?
It's certainly not an industrial kitchen, and a prep area serving a bar is a good description, but since it has a sink in it and you prepare food to serve customers I thought it being called a kitchen was a reasonable name.
 

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That's how I was looking at it, because the wording of 'going through a kitchen', being applied in this case needs to be explained, because putting up a wall there, or a wall with a door, has the effect of attempting to please, but I'm not convinced enhances exit from the building. All the dish washing is done in the kitchen the room on the other side is the utility room for Mops and some drinks storage.


As in the storage room provision, it keeps STUFF from wondering into the exit path/width.


So once again, is this more of a bar ?? With finger foods or what??

Does help in making a decision,,,, But that decision will in the end, be what the locals say,

You can always go thru the appeals process.
 

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As in the storage room provision, it keeps STUFF from wondering into the exit path/width.


So once again, is this more of a bar ?? With finger foods or what??

Does help in making a decision,,,, But that decision will in the end, be what the locals say,

You can always go thru the appeals process.
I'm thinking Seafood/Salid bar.
 

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It matters what use you give it. I fill it is strange to have to cross a hall or corridor to wash dishes. Adding walls to enclose the area is about the only option I see with out adding another door or moving the existing one.

This appears to be an A2 over 100 occupants which would require sprinklers.
 

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It matters what use you give it. I fill it is strange to have to cross a hall or corridor to wash dishes. Adding walls to enclose the area is about the only option I see with out adding another door or moving the existing one.

This appears to be an A2 over 100 occupants which would require sprinklers.
There's no cross hall to wash dishes, that is the utility room, which gets used for storage and cleaning mops and stuff, I was thinking that's what's making them think that the Egress was through the kitchen.

Chapter 11 The existing construction rules

1103.5 Sprinkler systems. An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided in existing buildings in accordance with Sections 1103.5.1 through 1103.5.4.
1103.5.1 Group A-2. An automatic sprinkler system shall be installed in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 through- out existing buildings or portions thereof used as Group A-2 occupancies with an occupant load of 300 or more.
1103.5.2 Group I-2. In Group I-2, an automatic sprinkler system shall be provided in accordance with Section 1105.8.

That makes it sound like for an existing building you're allows 300 occupants without a sprinkler system. Taken from the 2016 Fire Code.
 

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In the end you have to make the locals happy.

To me the easiest, is find out if they will accept a wall, and minimum height?
 
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sergoodo

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If you look at storage room, in away it better defines why and what is needed to do that.

Means of egress are not prohibited through stockrooms in Group M occupancies where all of the following are met:
  1. 2.1. The stock is of the same hazard classification as that found in the main retail area.
  2. 2.2. Not more than 50 percent of the exit access is through the stockroom.
  3. 2.3. The stockroom is not subject to locking from the egress side.
  4. 2.4. There is a demarcated, minimum 44-inch-wide (1118 mm) aisle defined by full- or partial-height fixed walls or similar construction that will maintain the required width and lead directly from the retail area to the exit without obstructions
I’ve seen this exact egress situation resolved by the Fire Cheif requiring 44” floor demarcation using the logic 2.4 posted by cda above.
 

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But I would ask for a wall



  1. 2.4. There is a demarcated, minimum 44-inch-wide (1118 mm) aisle defined by full- or partial-height fixed walls or similar construction that will maintain the required width and lead directly from the retail area to the exit without obstructions
 
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