Accessible Parking Location

[e hilton]

Locating the accessible parking spaces where they are now was probably an afterthought while trying to finish the project.

Not sure I agree. The location had to be set before the sidewalk could be poured.

 

[mtlogcabin]

The storm sewer, manhole and building entrance where all installed before the sidewalk was poured. There are multiple mistakes that resulted in what is there. If what is there meets the original design and approved drawings, then mistakes were made and approved way before the first shovel of dirt was moved to construct the building.
If what is there is a result of a number of errors, during the design and construction that where never question or noted, and this was the solution after discovering then I am okay with it as long as it is documented why I made the decision to allow it.

Assuming the parking lot is designed to drain to the curb and then to the storm sewer inlets at each end of the parking spaces, placing the curb cut close to the drain inlet may result in the curb cut ponding during a heavy rain. We just don't know looking at google earth.

 

[Jay Smith]

Maybe the spaces they chose are in the closest area with a slope of less than 2%.

 

[Msradell]

Maybe the spaces they chose are in the closest area with a slope of less than 2%.

From the picture that certainly doesn't look like the case.

 

[Yikes]

That situation also doesn't meet ADA requirements because it would Req the handicapped person to cross the traffic path.

Persons in wheelchairs are allowed to cross traffic paths on accessible paths of travel.
In California, CBC 11B-502.7.1 says: "Parking spaces and access aisles shall be designed so that persons using them are not required to travel behind parking spaces other than to pass behind the parking space in which they parked."
However, there is nothing that prohibits travel across traffic lanes.
Also note that this prohibition is only specific to paths of travel from accessible parking stalls. For example, the CBC does permit a pedestrian/wheelchair path-of-travel from the public right of way to go directly behind parked cars.

 

[e hilton]

Well that seems contradictory.

 

[Yikes]

Well that seems contradictory.

It gets weirder: there is no definition of how to measure the word “behind”.
It seems obvious that wheeling directly behind (within a few feet) of other parked cars increases the possibility that a wheelchair user might not be visible in another car’s rear view mirror.
But how far back to you have to be away from other cars so you CAN be seen, and it is OK to walk behind? 25 feet? 1000 feet?

 

[steveray]

This did not get any clearer with this added to A117:

507.1General.​

Where accessible routes pass through parking facilities, they shall be physically separated from vehicular traffic.

Exceptions:

1. 1.Accessible routes crossing drive aisles shall not be required to comply with this section.
2. 2.Accessible routes only from parking spaces complying with Section 502 and passenger loading zones complying with Section 503 to accessible entrances shall not be required to comply with this section.

Except now when you remodel a tenant space in a strip mall you need to install an accessible route to the building through the parking lot if there is a public sidewalk or public transit "to the site"....

 

[Yikes]

Where accessible routes pass through parking facilities, they shall be physically separated from vehicular traffic.

Exceptions:

1. 1.Accessible routes crossing drive aisles shall not be required to comply with this section.

A) Yes, "crossing drive aisles" is the very definition of a "crosswalk".
B) Note that they did not elaborate on what they meant by "physical separation". A barrier? A curb? a continuous strip of detectable warning / truncated domes? a crack in the pavement with weeds growing up through it?

 

[Mr. Inspector]

A) Yes, "crossing drive aisles" is the very definition of a "crosswalk".
B) Note that they did not elaborate on what they meant by "physical separation". A barrier? A curb? a continuous strip of detectable warning / truncated domes? a crack in the pavement with weeds growing up through it?

 

[Yikes]

Is the intent of the "physical separation":
- to prevent vehicles from going into pedestrian areas? (If so, then why are crosswalks allowed?)
- to prevent pedestrians (especially those with vision impairments) from unintentionally wandering into vehicle areas?