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Bulletin boards inside an elevator lobby
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danzare083
Member
Good afternoon all,
Again thank you for taking your time. I agree that inside a sprinkled building the changes of little Johnny's artwork catching fire are slim to none, but rules are rules. Enforcing the ten percent rule is hard enough as is. The whole issue with the elevator lobbies began with my predessesor, where the Fire Marshall at the time did not want anything posted in the elevator lobby area, but eventually conceeded in favor of using metal-framed bulletin boards. Enter yours truly, the new safety officer on campus, and I inherit a number of policies with next to no legal references or backing.
Another reason I am keen on having a solid policy in place is to keep the walls from becoming clogged with artowork, decorations, etc. to a mimimum. If not, then it will snowball and more students will feel entitled to hang their paintings whereever they please.
cda, I agree with you that in theory I should be the one to set forth and enforce a policy, but without a code section to fall back on, I feel very much exposed. As it was said earlier in the thread, "if you can't cite it, don't write it". Same goes for the UT policy, it looks great, but if I was a smart alec, I could protest that the enforcement of restricted posting area infringes on my ability to produce quality artwork and therefore my chances to receive the level of education my parents are paying for.
However, I saw a lot of great suggestions and citations here. I should be able to put together a convincing defense. Also, on a personal note, may you never have to work with art students
Again thank you for taking your time. I agree that inside a sprinkled building the changes of little Johnny's artwork catching fire are slim to none, but rules are rules. Enforcing the ten percent rule is hard enough as is. The whole issue with the elevator lobbies began with my predessesor, where the Fire Marshall at the time did not want anything posted in the elevator lobby area, but eventually conceeded in favor of using metal-framed bulletin boards. Enter yours truly, the new safety officer on campus, and I inherit a number of policies with next to no legal references or backing.
Another reason I am keen on having a solid policy in place is to keep the walls from becoming clogged with artowork, decorations, etc. to a mimimum. If not, then it will snowball and more students will feel entitled to hang their paintings whereever they please.
cda, I agree with you that in theory I should be the one to set forth and enforce a policy, but without a code section to fall back on, I feel very much exposed. As it was said earlier in the thread, "if you can't cite it, don't write it". Same goes for the UT policy, it looks great, but if I was a smart alec, I could protest that the enforcement of restricted posting area infringes on my ability to produce quality artwork and therefore my chances to receive the level of education my parents are paying for.
However, I saw a lot of great suggestions and citations here. I should be able to put together a convincing defense. Also, on a personal note, may you never have to work with art students
Just a question, what enforcement power do you have??
Johnny you put your art work on the wall, you cannot go to the football game.
I have seen a few people in your job. College professors have their own little kingdoms.
Good luck
Johnny you put your art work on the wall, you cannot go to the football game.
I have seen a few people in your job. College professors have their own little kingdoms.
Good luck
danz,
um.....Is'nt tomorrow the day you start painting walls and everything has to be removed, even the Picasso?
I would think business owners still have rights and the owner has employeed danz as the safety dude. Might want to start your policy manual today and have management sign off on it.
Don't let the janitors broom knock it off the wall when he goes down the hall! Ooops!
pc1
pc1
um.....Is'nt tomorrow the day you start painting walls and everything has to be removed, even the Picasso?
I would think business owners still have rights and the owner has employeed danz as the safety dude. Might want to start your policy manual today and have management sign off on it.
Don't let the janitors broom knock it off the wall when he goes down the hall! Ooops!
pc1
pc1
GCtony
Silver Member
"I have seen a few people in your job. College professors have their own little kingdoms." Just like building officials? (sorry couldn't resist)
All joking aside, this graspin' at straws over some artwork kinda saddens me. It's not about a life safety, it's about "my .......is bigger than your......"
All joking aside, this graspin' at straws over some artwork kinda saddens me. It's not about a life safety, it's about "my .......is bigger than your......"
Builder Bob
Sawhorse
I have a question, is the Bulletin board permanently installed onto the face of the wall? IF so, it is no longer considered artwork or temporary, but a permanent part of the interior finish and trim.........IS 803 a stretch for art work taped onto a wall, I would agree. However, when cork board or a frame for a bulletin board is permanently installed (i.e. screws/wall anchors, etc), IMHO it has become a part of the interior wall finish.....
ADAguy
Registered User
MH, "It depends", depends on how much combustable material is affixed to the board. Bulletin boards have a way of acquiring more materials then they were intended for.
This is a true "risk management" issue, then again "artists" may seek to prove "their" point that art may be hung anywhere.
To what degree may regulations restrict the educational experience while assuring that students are safe?
This is a true "risk management" issue, then again "artists" may seek to prove "their" point that art may be hung anywhere.
To what degree may regulations restrict the educational experience while assuring that students are safe?
mark handler
SAWHORSE
osfm.fire.ca.gov/informationbulletin/pdf/2009/artworkforgroupeocc.pdf
Frank
Registered User
In a B use there is not a limit on the abount of bullitain boards in the hall in some other use groups there are limits
From 2012 IFC
807.1 General requirements.
In occupancies in Groups A, E, I and R-1, and dormitories in Group R-2, curtains, draperies, hangings and other decorative materials suspended from walls or ceilings shall meet the flame propagation performance criteria of NFPA 701 in accordance with Section 807.2 or be noncombustible.
Exceptions:
2. Decorative materials, including, but not limited to, photographs and paintings in dormitories in Group R-2 where such materials are of limited quantities such that a hazard of fire development or spread is not present.
For use group E and similar for I-4 daycare
807.4.3.2 Artwork.
Artwork and teaching materials shall be limited on the walls of corridors to not more than 20 percent of the wall area.
Artwork and notices on bullitain boards are not conidered interior finishes and are only limited in certain occupancies. Reasonable sized bullitain boards (under 20% of the total walls) is not a hazard and is specifically permitted in E and !-4 use groups which are generally more restrictive than B uses.
From 2012 IFC
807.1 General requirements.
In occupancies in Groups A, E, I and R-1, and dormitories in Group R-2, curtains, draperies, hangings and other decorative materials suspended from walls or ceilings shall meet the flame propagation performance criteria of NFPA 701 in accordance with Section 807.2 or be noncombustible.
Exceptions:
2. Decorative materials, including, but not limited to, photographs and paintings in dormitories in Group R-2 where such materials are of limited quantities such that a hazard of fire development or spread is not present.
For use group E and similar for I-4 daycare
807.4.3.2 Artwork.
Artwork and teaching materials shall be limited on the walls of corridors to not more than 20 percent of the wall area.
Artwork and notices on bullitain boards are not conidered interior finishes and are only limited in certain occupancies. Reasonable sized bullitain boards (under 20% of the total walls) is not a hazard and is specifically permitted in E and !-4 use groups which are generally more restrictive than B uses.