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California cities banning the installation of natural gas

Discussion in 'Off Topic Posts' started by mtlogcabin, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. mtlogcabin

    mtlogcabin Registered User

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    Don't worry conarb if we go down the socialist path that many are advocating for those in power will eventually kill millions just like their socialist predecessors..

    " Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-il = 100 MILLION people killed by socialism."
     
  2. Paul Sweet

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    And us "Deplorables" will be the first ones the politically correct will want to do away with.
     
  3. mark handler

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    How many were killed for Capitalisms? Oil, gold, lumber, just greed?
    How many Native Americans were slaughtered for their land? Some say 10-million.
     
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    These where communist not socialist, you need to learn the difference. Anyone that thinks a goverment which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned by the community as a whole. For example post office, transportation systems (roads, airports, trains, harbors, etc.), medicare, social security, vet hospitals, goverment code departments (rather than private code companies), parks, Fannie Mea, subsides to private companies.

    Some socialist countries do very well have lots of freedom like Sweden and England.

    Every country has some socialism or they could't function. The fight was always about how much socialism should we have not if we should have any.
     
  5. conarb

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    Many European socialist states are on the verge of collapse now, Sweden is a prime example, people are flooding in from poorer nations to take advantage of the freebies.
     
  6. Mark K

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    I find it difficult to reconcile the rants about socialism and big government with the reality that most of the individuals on this forum are willing participants in the imposition of building regulations.
     
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  7. mark handler

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    but are the rants coming from the "imposers" or "the "self-proclaimed" victims….of building regulations
     
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    Only after all the lawyers are gone.
     
  9. conarb

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    Back to battery storage, I came across this this morning, a Tesla crash in Austria, it takes 11,000 liters of water to put out the fire, the average fire engine holds 2,000 liters, and the batteries can reignite for three days after the fire. We want these things in our houses?

    If you guys had any guts you'd fight this crap rather than enforce it.
     
  10. fatboy

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    Fight it how? Not do our jobs?
     
  11. conarb

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    If these battery packs are a known danger and you require them shouldn't you be liable for any deaths they cause? Remember Nuremberg stands for the proposition that "Just following orders" is no defense.



    It's all a fraud, for one thing the panels are all shorting out underneath them, of course Tiger could have told them that.



    ¹ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-13/elon-musk-s-solar-deal-has-become-top-threat-to-tesla-s-future
     
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  12. mtlogcabin

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    There is a difference between following in order and obeying the law that was adopted by the elected officials
     
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    If they have a UL rating for use as house siding ... not much you can do about it.
     
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  14. fatboy

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    Clue me in, where in the code are these "required"?
     
  15. conarb

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    Just where you find this in the codes:

    I guess they will be part of California's zero energy initiative.

    ¹ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/low-flow-toilets-required_n_3800061
     
  16. ICE

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    Not me... I have to force myself.
     
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    A known cause of failure is bare copper wire in intimate contact with the aluminum solar panel frame. Dissimilar metal corrosion removes the aluminum allowing the grounded copper wire to reach the circuitry within the panel frame. This can, and has, result in a fire.

    While working with the UL2703 standard making panel I almost convinced the group that the installation instructions for racking must highlight the need to separate copper and aluminum. Prior to my involvement there was no mention of dissimilar metal corrosion in any racking installation instructions. You can find it now....but it might take a while.

    In reality, installation instructions are a waste of effort in that I’ve never seen any on a job site until I require that. Now that we no longer inspect racking, instructions are pointless.

    When we did inspect racking I found bare #6 copper against aluminum nearly every time....for the same companies. Now I can’t see it but I know it’s there.
     
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  18. fatboy

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    Not in my code...…...
     
  19. conarb

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    In post #30 you said: "Fight it how? Not do our jobs?" You need to fight it so it isn't in your code. The requirement I see the most rebellion to from the public is the water conservation codes, I've even told people to find a small contractor who will do it and don't get a permit.
     
  20. ADAguy

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    Sometimes you make "sense" conarb, this is one of them (smiling). Dissimilar material contact is a "known" issue that any EE should be aware of..
     

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