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Can a floor drain discharge to grade?

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Can the floor drain in a pump house discharge to grade or must it be connected to a sanitary system? The pump house is for the fire suppression system fire pumps.

I did not see anything in the code allowing it or prohibiting it.

Thanks.
 
DRAIN. Any pipe that carries waste water or water-borne
wastes in a building drainage system.

PLUMBING FIXTURE. A receptacle or device that is connected
to a water supply system or discharges to a drainage
system or both. Such receptacles or devices require a supply
of water; or discharge liquid waste or liquid-borne solid
waste; or require a supply of water and discharge waste to a
drainage system.

SECTION 412
FLOOR AND TRENCH DRAINS

As floor drains are specifically covered in Ch. 4 I would say they are a fixture....
 
IPC 802.1.5 & the exception to 802.2 imply that clear-water waste doesn't have to be connected to the sanitary sewer. Some sanitation authorities don't want clear-water waste entering their sewers.
 
I have a similar question with regards to rainwater collection not being allowed to be retained in a cistern with a pump for later yard use, what say you?
 
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I am unsure of your question.......Can you
please re-state it ?

Thanks !

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north star said:
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I am unsure of your question.......Can you
please re-state it ?

Thanks !

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House is at a lower elevation than the rear of the property. Need a pump to move collected water up hill, but city is concerned about using the collected water over an extended period between rains.
 
ADAguy said:
House is at a lower elevation than the rear of the property. Need a pump to move collected water up hill, but city is concerned about using the collected water over an extended period between rains.
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Why would the city care how you use the water you collect as long as you don't discharge into their system. To me it sounds like a great idea from both sides of the coin.
 
Concerned how? Pumping during a rain event? Not pumping during a rain event? Cistern contents going septic between pumping events?
 
Not a great idea to dump water from a fire pump house into a sanitary sewer as you greatly increase the fixture count because most fire pumps have an open cooling system - i.e. water runs thru fire pump to cool engine and is discharged onto the floor or trench drain for disposal . It would easily require an 6 to 8 inch pipe just to handle the fire pump runoff - we usually discharged into the retention pond and required some sort of oil/ water skimmer near the discharge point.
 
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Typically, ..."if" the fire pump has gray water or oil leaking thru the seals
in the fire pump engine, then the discharge should go thru an oil \ water
separator first before being connected to the sanitary sewer system.

Check with the local AHJ to see what their requirements are.

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IMPO
Per Cleanwater act, unless you have some kind of leaching area or retention area, you cannot discharge it into the stormwater system
 
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