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Chapter 33 questions

righter101 said:
I appreciate your previous post with a direct link how you reached your conclusion.
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Ahhh... I see that you are a connoisseur of misapplication.
 
Brudgers, is it your opinion that the building code has no "chapter 33 jurisdiction" around a project area inside of the property lines? And if that is your opinion, who do you believe has jurisdiction for non-contract/general public people who are in that area?
 
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Yankee said:
Brudgers, is it your opinion that the building code has no "chapter 33 jurisdiction" around a project area inside of the property lines? And if that is your opinion, who do you believe has jurisdiction for non-contract/general public people who are in that area?
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Umm...related to the concerns raised in this thread, the Owner is granted discretionary power over the SITE to the extent the chapter does not explicitly make requirements. This includes those portions of the site over a particular distance from the lot lines.

The phrase is "in front of", not "at the front of."

Thus, the phrase "in front of every construction and demolition site" both requires and entitles the owner to modify the public right of way to maintain a "pedestrian walkway." The requirement for pedestrian walkways does not extend the government's jurisdiction so as to require them within the SITE.

Within the site, chapter 33 allows the government jurisdiction over means of egress.

If you want the authority to mandate guards withing construction sites, your local development code is the appropriate vehicle.

Assuming of course that you care to avoid improperly applying the building code.

An assumption of which I am skeptical.
 
Humor?

Sidewalk closed until further notice! Please use alternate route!

Expect catcalls while walking near this site!

Bubble wrap issued apon request for your saftey!

Job trailer not required to be accessible!

Clean your dam boots before entering my office!

Just a few signs you may see a the local job site.

pc1
 
righter101 said:
Bloviating Repetitive Underwhelming Drivel Gone Excessively Rude Sometimes
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It looks like you'll be failing Righter 101, this semester. Floral arranging might be a more appropriate vocational choice for you.
 
In thinking about the projects I have been involved with, I will admit that essentially all of the pedestrian ways anticipated to be used during construction were part of one or another means of egress from the buildings out to the public way. Perhaps you have a point; it is unfortunate that one has to pull whatever wisdom you have to offer out of you like a rotten tooth. . . .
 
Yankee said:
In thinking about the projects I have been involved with, I will admit that essentially all of the pedestrian ways anticipated to be used during construction were part of one or another means of egress from the buildings out to the public way. Perhaps you have a point; it is unfortunate that one has to pull whatever wisdom you have to offer out of you like a rotten tooth. . . .
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My point is simple. Don't stop reading the code when you find the answer you want.

It helps if all you want is the correct answer.

Rather than wanting what you wish was the answer.
 
brudgers said:
It looks like you'll be failing Righter 101, this semester. Floral arranging might be a more appropriate vocational choice for you.
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Perhaps floral arranging may be in order. Seems as though the slots for "has-been architects with axes to grind & too much time on their hands" are all filled up.
 
righter101 said:
Perhaps floral arranging may be in order. Seems as though the slots for "has-been architects with axes to grind & too much time on their hands" are all filled up.
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Now that is unfair! Brudgers worked as a governmental employee in the past, for . . . almost a whole year!!!
 
righter101 said:
Perhaps floral arranging may be in order. Seems as though the slots for "has-been architects with axes to grind & too much time on their hands" are all filled up.
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Actually, there's always room in architecture for another person who doesn't understand the code . You have options.
 
OK folks.......get it back to on topic, can the sniping and BS comments, keep it on topic.
 
You're a real crowd pleaser there Fatboy. Speaking of crowd pleasers, what became of Mr.Softy?
 
Had a complaint on this threads turn.

Don't know about Softy, sometimes they just move on. Wondering what happened to George Roberts.....been a long time for him also.
 
Rider Rick said:
You need to be tough, to be in this business, right?
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I don't think so. At a minimum you should be able to read and digest what you read.
 
How bout this section of code from Chapter 1 of the IBC???

115.1 Authority. Whenever the building official finds any

work regulated by this code being performed in a manner either

contrary to the provisions of this code or dangerous or unsafe,

the building official is authorized to issue a stop work order.

or this section:

116.1 Conditions. Structures or existing equipment that are or

hereafter become unsafe, insanitary or deficient because of

inadequate means of egress facilities, inadequate light and ventilation,

or which constitute a fire hazard, or are otherwise dangerous

to human life or the public welfare, or that involve illegal

or improper occupancy or inadequate maintenance, shall be

deemed an unsafe condition. Unsafe structures shall be taken

down and removed or made safe, as the building official deems

necessary and as provided for in this section.Avacant structure

that is not secured against entry shall be deemed unsafe.

Hmmmmm...... Seems like if "work regulated by this code" is being performed in an "unsafe or dangerous manner", the BO can step in and take action.

Now we get to debate if overhead construction (residing, painting, etc) over the enterance to a building, without overhead protection is actually "unsafe" or "dangerous".

Wow, code language that supports the idea of a duty to public safety...
 
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You can issue a stop work order.

While waiting for the guards to be installed, work on your resume.
 
righter101 said:
How bout this section of code from Chapter 1 of the IBC???115.1 Authority. Whenever the building official finds any

work regulated by this code being performed in a manner either

contrary to the provisions of this code or dangerous or unsafe,

the building official is authorized to issue a stop work order.

or this section:

116.1 Conditions. Structures or existing equipment that are or

hereafter become unsafe, insanitary or deficient because of

inadequate means of egress facilities, inadequate light and ventilation,

or which constitute a fire hazard, or are otherwise dangerous

to human life or the public welfare, or that involve illegal

or improper occupancy or inadequate maintenance, shall be

deemed an unsafe condition. Unsafe structures shall be taken

down and removed or made safe, as the building official deems

necessary and as provided for in this section.Avacant structure

that is not secured against entry shall be deemed unsafe.

Hmmmmm...... Seems like if "work regulated by this code" is being performed in an "unsafe or dangerous manner", the BO can step in and take action.

Now we get to debate if overhead construction (residing, painting, etc) over the enterance to a building, without overhead protection is actually "unsafe" or "dangerous".

Wow, code language that supports the idea of a duty to public safety...
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A walkway shall be provided for pedestrian travel in front of every construction and demolition site unless the applicable governing authority authorizes the sidewalk to be fenced or closed. Walkways shall be of sufficient width to accommodate the pedestrian traffic, but in no case shall be less than 4 feet in width. Walkways shall be accessible in accordance with Chapter 11 and shall be designed to support all imposed loads and in no case shall the design live load be less than 150 pounds per square foot. Sec. 3606.2

So, does this only provide protection for the front of the site/building, and what constitutes the front?
 
115.2

The stop work order shall state the reason for the order, and the conditions under which the cited work will be permitted to resume.

What code section are you going to cite for your reason?

116.1.

Structures or existing equipment that are or hereafter become unsafe, insanitary or deficient

So what part of the structure is unsafe?

How is the means of egress become inadequate?
 
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