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Does an Alteration trigger the need for path to street?

Discussion in 'Accessibility' started by nealderidder, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. mtlogcabin

    mtlogcabin Sawhorse

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    Where in the IBC or ADA does it state a person can not be required to go behind another vehicle? I agree it is not a good idea but is it prohibited by the IBC or ADA? I am not interested in California regulations.
     
  2. Ty J.

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    It is allowed; however, per the Advisory, it is discouraged.

    A117.1 - 502.3 Access Aisle
    Access aisles serving parking spaces shall comply with 502.3. Access aisles shall adjoin an accessible route. Two parking spaces shall be permitted to share a common access aisle.
    Advisory 502.3 Access Aisle. Accessible routes must connect parking spaces to accessible entrances. In parking facilities where the accessible route must cross vehicular traffic lanes, marked crossings enhance pedestrian safety, particularly for people using wheelchairs and other mobility aids. Where possible, it is preferable that the accessible route not pass behind parked vehicles.
     
  3. ADAguy

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    This most often occurs on gas station sites where service bays are converted to mini-marts, sites are tight and only drive aisles exist.
     
  4. mtlogcabin

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    Big box stores where there is a fire lane in front of the store. All of the HC parking spaces you have to travel in the driving aisle to get to the HC parking space of which there could be 6 or more of them
     
  5. ADAguy

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    Too true.
     
  6. Yikes

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    Yes, but travelling across a drive aisle is not the same as travelling behind a parked vehicle.

    The recommendation (requirement, in California) to not travel behind another person's parked vehicle stems from concern that the wheelchair user sits below the field of vision in a rearview mirror, especially with tall vehicles (vans, SUVs, etc.). A person backing out their parked vehicle might not be aware that there is a wheelchair directly behind their rear bumper.

    This problem does not exist in a drive aisle, where theoretically all vehicles are moving in a forward direction and drivers should clearly see what's in front of them.

    I realize that rearview camera technology in newer vehicles will eventually make this issue obsolete - - but while old cars are still on the road, it remains valid.
     
  7. mtlogcabin

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    I was not referring to the drive aisle I was referring to the other 4 or 5 HC parking spaces a person wouls have to roll behind if they are parked in the farthest HC spot
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  8. mark handler

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    In The picture(4) of those stall do not Meet Code, they lack loading zones. So traveling behind is just another violation for a law suit.
     
  9. Rick18071

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    What state requires loading zones?
     
  10. mtlogcabin

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    So is it a violation of a code or just a violation of "best pratices"? If code please provide the section from ANSI or ADA
     
  11. Paul Sweet

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    The "Loading zone" is the 5 ft. (or 8 ft. for a van space) aisle between accessible spaces.

    Apparently having to travel behind other parked cars is a violation in California, but just bad design elsewhere.
     
  12. mark handler

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    Yes
    ADASAD Advisory 502.3 ...Where possible, it is preferable that the accessible route not pass behind parked vehicles.
     
  13. ADAguy

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    "Loading Zones" differ from access aisles, which are required next (or shared) at/to accessible spaces. "LZ"s are intended for drop offs only.
     
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    Mark, Are we in agreement that for an existing building and no change in use, bank to bank, there is no code requirement to provide a POT from the public sidewalk and we are only required to provide a POT from the accessible parking area to the buildings primary entry? I am still a bit puzzled by some of the wording.
     

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