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Egress Swing Direction

Discussion in 'Commercial Building Codes' started by Mostafa Magdy, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. Mostafa Magdy

    Mostafa Magdy Registered User

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    Hello, that's my first thread here and I'm sure it will not be the last one we have a new project that we are working on, it's an academic building located in Alamin Egypt, we have almost all rooms occupant load exceeds 50 which require more than egress door in the room, in addition, making the door swing direction outside the room but making swing direction outside makes the overall plan looks weird any suggestion, ideas or exception for swing direction.

    PS. I don't know how to upload an image here kindly advise.
     
  2. jar546

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    Welcome. You can put the photo on a free service and post the link.
     
  3. Mostafa Magdy

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    I've uploaded it here https://ibb.co/SymnRs0
    Thank you jar

    Capture.png
     
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    Why does it make it look weird?

    What building code and year are you using?

    What grade level is this school?

    Cannot always have pretty
     
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    If i am ready that right, all the doors swing in.
     
  6. Mostafa Magdy

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    It looks weird if the swing direction was outside because we have plenty of doors due to occupant load.
    The building is an Academic For Hospitality Management.
    I'm using IBC 2015
     
  7. Mostafa Magdy

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    They are, But they should swing the opposite direction.
     
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    1010.1.2.1 Direction of swing. Pivot or side-hinged
    swinging doors shall swing in the direction of egress
    travel where serving a room or area containing an occupant
    load of 50 or more persons or a Group H occupancy.

    No exceptions!
     
  9. Pcinspector1

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    I've seen a lot of school classrooms with the door set back into the room with the door swing into the corridor or hallway. The door is allowed to swing into the corridor depending on the width of the corridor.

    IBC2012 section 1008.1.1.1 projections into the clear width shall not exceed more than 4-inches. Most likely due to a blind persons cane detection.
     
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    Added: I've seen were the wall is inset and the door swings back into the wall when opened, taking space from the classroom, this keeps the door from projecting into the corridor.

    Hardware on a door like a closer would be permitted into the corridor not to exceed 4-inches.
     
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    What is the Square footage of the room??

    What factor are you using for occupant load?

    So adult education?
     
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    I see two doors only out of room 56
     
  13. Mostafa Magdy

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    I've seen this also and I'm considering it.
     
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    I use multiple codes to calculate occupant load as it must comply with the Egyptian code, as I said, occupant load exceeds 50 in almost all spaces which require 2 doors swinging out
     
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    Ok, so I am unsure of your question? You know the code requires the doors to swing in the direction of egress so swing them in the proper direction.
     
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    Check classroom occupant load, 49 comes to mind for one exit access for an E-occupancy. Check your egress travel, may need additional class room exiting door? See section 1015.
     
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    he actually states that.............it must comply with the Egyptian code, as I said, occupant load exceeds 50 in almost all spaces which require 2 doors swinging out.............So I really am not sure why the question?
     
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  18. cda

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    Sounds like cosmetic
     
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    Pcinspector1 has it. Recess, create an alcove, what ever you want to call it. General about 3.5ft to allow for a clear corridor.
     
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    Thank you ... my thoughts exactly.
     
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