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The things you find without any zoning or building permit being issued or applied for. A residential 2 story garage under construction with space below the planned parking.
A bit off topic maybe but code related.....does anyone know exactly when the habitable space egress requirements kicked in for bedrooms, basements, etc. I know all the code requirements for today's construction but when do we go by "the code in effect at time of construction" rule?The things you find without any zoning or building permit being issued or applied for. A residential 2 story garage under construction with space below the planned parking.
A bit off topic maybe but code related.....does anyone know exactly when the habitable space egress requirements kicked in for bedrooms, basements, etc. I know all the code requirements for today's construction but when do we go by "the code in effect at time of construction" rule?
I'm in New York State on Long Island. My question is ...do we assume that emergency escape windows in sleeping rooms and bulkhead basement doors in habitable basements were always in the code in some form or another although size requirements have obviously changed? Just trying to pinpoint if there was a time that codes went into effect for reasons of legality/non conforming by today's codesThe year the building was built
And the code that was adopted when the plans were submitted/ building built.
Is your question on basements?
Most of the code requirements for egress have been the same forever
Basement requirements have changed a little
What state are you in???
I'm in New York State on Long Island. My question is ...do we assume that emergency escape windows in sleeping rooms and bulkhead basement doors in habitable basements were always in the code in some form or another although size requirements have obviously changed? Just trying to pinpoint if there was a time that codes went into effect for reasons of legality/non conforming by today's codes
not doing either I'm a building inspector. Just having trouble getting the info just for my knowledge. Hate to tell someone to change or upgrade anything that was legally installed if they are not required to do soWill try to give an answer
Yes size did change, not sure which building code and which edition.
Same problem where you are at, size may have changed. Just not sure which year.
With all that said, normally if you are not touching the Windows, remodeling the specific room, or doing major remodel, the existing windows are normally allowed to remain as is.
What are you doing to the building ? Or are you trying to sale or buy it??
Give Monday or Tuesday and you should get more answers
not doing either I'm a building inspector. Just having trouble getting the info just for my knowledge. Hate to tell someone to change or upgrade anything that was legally installed if they are not required to do so
Makes sense to meThis state changed in 07
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/sfm/document-library/Documents/Inspection Policies-General/INS04(2007)-Egresswindows.pdf
You just need to find out which code and edition were adopted and which year they were adopted, then work backwards to see when the size changed
Call your State people? Maybe JBI will see this and chime in? Rob Drexler ICC board guy is out Syracuse way I believe and Jim Morgenson is up Lake Placid way...
What is your policy
And what does the code say
We have had a statewide code since 1971, so anything after is really easy. My Town has had some type of code since the 50's, but a little harder to nail down...Since every AHJ adopts different codes at different times it is impossible for us to know when EERO's started in Long Island, maybe a State person would know better....
Here is my section on "existing to remain":
(Amd) 102.6 Existing structures. The legal use and occupancy of any building or structure
existing on the date of adoption of this code shall be permitted to continue without change, except
as specifically covered in this code or the Connecticut State Fire Safety Code.
When do you require existing to meet current code?
Bedroom remodel, addition to house, other?
With the adoption of modified I-Codes in 2002/2003, we moved to the current requirement that applies only to 'sleeping' rooms (not ALL habitable rooms), and the larger size we see today.
Ok this is the real answer that I was looking for. Now where can I find that code reference... the green book? I have a copy in my office but no one really ever looks at it.New York State adopted its' first Statewide mandatory Code in 1982 with a final effective date in 1984.
Many jurisdictions had adopted enforceable Codes prior to that, including many on Long Island.
In 1984 the Code required 'emergency egress openings' in all 'habitable' spaces.
These openings were a minimum of 4 s.f. with a minimum 18" in either direction.
With the adoption of modified I-Codes in 2002/2003, we moved to the current requirement that applies only to 'sleeping' rooms (not ALL habitable rooms), and the larger size we see today.
First thing you need to do is determine when your jurisdiction first adopted a mandatory Code... but anything after 1984 is bound by the State Code regardless.
Ok this is the real answer that I was looking for. Now where can I find that code reference... the green book? I have a copy in my office but no one really ever looks at it.
I researched today in the green book and that is correct. Not trying to reinvent the wheel......just really wanted to find where the code section was that I could refer to when we run into an existing basement or bedroom without the proper emergency egress. Many times I need to verify I According to the green book,I can use 1984 as the year that the State addressed egress with regard to habitable space. Not all that concerned with village code since I can't really find a record of it. Thanks for the infoNew York State adopted its' first Statewide mandatory Code in 1982 with a final effective date in 1984.
Many jurisdictions had adopted enforceable Codes prior to that, including many on Long Island.
In 1984 the Code required 'emergency egress openings' in all 'habitable' spaces.
These openings were a minimum of 4 s.f. with a minimum 18" in either direction.
With the adoption of modified I-Codes in 2002/2003, we moved to the current requirement that applies only to 'sleeping' rooms (not ALL habitable rooms), and the larger size we see today.
First thing you need to do is determine when your jurisdiction first adopted a mandatory Code... but anything after 1984 is bound by the State Code regardless.