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is a walkin cooler occupiable space?

Papio Bldg. Dept.,

If a walk-in cooler is "designed" with tables and equipment; and NOT your typical

"reach in" type, wouldn't those "designs" be included on some type of plans submittal

that "could possibly" require some type of separation of occupancy groups ( i.e. - "uses

of space" - the actual opportunity for review of the environment )?

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GT...Precisely. I suppose if it walks like a walk-in cooler/closet, talks like a walk-in cooler/closet, and looks a walk-in cooler/closet, I would be so inclined as to treat it like a walk-in cooler/closet, but not all walk-in cooler/closets walk the way they talk and look. Hard to beat a good old fashioned plan review question like, "so what would you say you do here?"

globe trekker said:
Papio Bldg. Dept.,If a walk-in cooler is "designed" with tables and equipment; and NOT your typical

"reach in" type, wouldn't those "designs" be included on some type of plans submittal

that "could possibly" require some type of separation of occupancy groups ( i.e. - "uses

of space" - the actual opportunity for review of the environment )?

.
 
To solve the dillema,

Read Section 201.1 and then read Section 102.1

Also remember Section 104.1.

Lets also remember Chapter 3 is titled USE AND OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION. Not all use areas are an occupancy because they are not an "occupiable space" as defined in Chapter 2. Those area are therefore called a "Use classification" for a cold storage room. That is what we are basically talking about. Occupiable Spaces are spaces that are considered spaces that are intended to be occupied on a perpetual basis. Cold storage rooms are not intended for perpetual occupancy of people. They are considered like any walk-in closets, bathrooms, etc. for temporary or short-term presence of human beings. Sure you physically occupy space whereever you stand. That is not the intent of code and intent of meaning of code when we talk about a space that is to be considered an "occupiable space". It is a code violation for people to be in a cold storage room the entire day. Sure, some people might be constantly in and out of such due to the nature of work.

Basically, the space we are talking about is a jumbo sized Refrigerator / Freezer. Use some basic common sense here. An occupiable space may not be kept at temperatures below a certain level for obvious health reasons... remember 101.3 and and remember 104.1 (as noted earlier).

Cold storage rooms to be considered an occupiable space shall be sub-divided into refigerators/freezer units and all portions of the space where people are expected to be occupying the space shall be heated to a level to maintain health safety standards for occupancy and also ventilated.

So basically the walk aisle and any preparation area portion of the cold storage room where people will be considered occupying the space to be deemed an occupiable space shall be a heated & ventilated space. That is how I would call it. It might defeat the purpose and nature of a cold storage room being an entire room that is chilled.... but you have to remember the intent of code is for safeguarding public health, safety and welfare and assuring that buildings and the spaces within are structurall safe, adequate means of egress, and sanitary for human occupancy and safety from fire and OTHER hazards. I would think a freezer or refrigerator is hazardous to human health under prolonged conditions without proper protective clothing and gear. Hypothermia ????

Remember the purpose and then use common sense with the defined definitions of code that is to be enforced.
 
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Okay, I have to jump in on this thread and muddy the waters a bit, or maybe provide a bit of humor.

Planning Commission is tomorrow, and this is on the agenda. I do not have a full set of plans as of yet, just a basic layout and conversations with the owner and designer.

Existing 5,000 sq. ft. building, former grocery (B) being transformed into office space (B). Half of building will be CalWorks, the other half county probation, 10 offices max. There are two existing coolers that probation wants to turn into temporary holding cells. How would you classify this scenario? All existing refrigeration controls will be removed (I hope).

Gives new meaning to putting a criminal 'on ice'............ :D
 
Alias,

Will the the two holding coolers / cells / areas, hold more than 5 at any time?

( Section 308.4, `06 IBC ). I'm Looking at the I-3 occupancy classification...

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globe trekker said:
Alias, Will the the two holding coolers / cells / areas, hold more than 5 at any time? ( Section 308.4, `06 IBC ). I'm Looking at the I-3 occupancy classification....
This should have it's own thread

We do not have all the info required.

"...more than 5 ..." Less than 10?

If you are heading down the I occupancy see SECTION 408 GROUP 1-3

A Probation office with holding cells:

• Probation offices B

• holding cells I-3
 
Check ot the 2009 NFPA 101 Lockup is a new designation that better links with IBC for Less tha 50 persons Less than 24 hours

Lockups are for things like court detention, Mall Security, Police stations, and is not Detention and Correction

IBC has the 5 provision for such lockups and would be better if it was my kids in there .
 
globe trekker said:
Alias,Will the the two holding coolers / cells / areas, hold more than 5 at any time?

( Section 308.4, `06 IBC ). I'm Looking at the I-3 occupancy classification...

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One apiece for not more than 8 hours (regular workday) and transport shows arrives.
 
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