Occupancy Classification?

[High Desert]

I would agree that restrooms have to be provided for the employees, but if the public does not utilize the building and only use a drive-up window, restrooms don't have to be provided for them.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Don't forget the accessible sale and service counter 1109.11.3. Isn't the counter part of the building?

 

[High Desert]

Yes, if the counter is inside the building or a walk-up window/counter. I don't believe you'll find anything on vehicle drive-up windows. Where would you measure the height of the counter? From the floor or seat of your car?

 

[deegee62]

It's a B occupancy. Per 2006 IBC 2902.2, exception #2, it only requires 1 unisex restroom if total of employees + public is 15 or less.

 

[rktect 1]

Just thought I'd dig up this old grave and make a comment.

I have been looking at these pizza places such as little ceasers or papa johns as a B use. But as I keep going over it I wonder, at what point if any, was a pizza place with no patrons/seating (only pick up) EVER, EVER, EVER an A use? If it was NEVER considered an A-2, then how can exceptions for 303.1 apply to it? It can not.

So now I am waffling onto the M mercantile.

 

[cda]

Must be slow in Illinois????

I guess you can make the argument a place that sells stuff and does not have seating for over 50 can be a "M"

versus an office building that has a meeting room under 50 and call it a "B"

If you apply 302.1

now you are going to change the way people have been doing business for 100 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[brudgers]

Just thought I'd dig up this old grave and make a comment. I have been looking at these pizza places such as little ceasers or papa johns as a B use. But as I keep going over it I wonder, at what point if any, was a pizza place with no patrons/seating (only pick up) EVER, EVER, EVER an A use? If it was NEVER considered an A-2, then how can exceptions for 303.1 apply to it? It can not. So now I am waffling onto the M mercantile.

Restaurants are A use. A uses with less than 50 are B occupancy. There is nothing in the IBC to justify M. NFPA 101 is another matter.

 

[rktect 1]

Yooz guyz kill me. (but this argument is fun so...)

303.1...........(end of paragraph) food or drink consumption.

A-2 Assembly uses intended for food and/or drink consumption.....

I suppose my grocery store is an A use now?

I really do agree with the B use when we have an occupant load of patrons sitting down eating that is less than 50 in total. So lets put 1 table and 2 chairs in every take out pizza joint.

 

[Architect1281]

Again as the coustomer I Ask with a grin - No no restroom eh! Gotta Mop?

 

[High Desert]

You could call it either an M or a B. Technically it fits into the M occupancy if you read the first exception to 303.1 which says "a building or tenent space used for assembly purpose......" If it's a drive-thru or just take-out, and there is no seating for persons to assemble, it wouldn't technically meet the exception.

I still classify all of them, drive-thru, take-out as well as sit-down with less than 50 occupants, a B to stay consistent.

Exceptions:

1. A building or tenant space used for assembly purposes with an occupant load of less than 50 persons shall be classified as a Group B occupancy.