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Panic hardware in existing building

Discussion in 'Existing Buildings Codes' started by Rick18071, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. cda

    cda Sawhorse

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    Ok more of the story


    “””From the (large) lunch room. Half can go out the double doors to the exterior and half goes into the S-2 space.””


    If there is direct access to the outside,

    Than would require only one door in the S-2 area to have panic hardware.

    Closest not obstructed,,, Maybe paint the stripe on the floor

    But still need three exits out of the room over 501
     
  2. cda

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    People react strangely sometimes
     
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    “””do not know why the code changed in 2009 and eliminated the requirement for panic hardware along the entire means of egress path. Perhaps as GPE you get the people out of the "A" occupancy quickly dispersing them. “””

    Is there a code section to support this
     
  4. mtlogcabin

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    2006 IBC specifically requires panic hardware along the means of egress path
    1008.1.9 Panic and fire exit hardware.
    Where panic and fire exit hardware is installed, it shall comply with the following:
    1. The actuating portion of the releasing device shall extend at least one-half of the door leaf width.
    2. The maximum unlatching force shall not exceed 15 pounds (67 N).
    Each door in a means of egress from a Group A or E occupancy having an occupant load of 50 or more and any Group H occupancy shall not be provided with a latch or lock unless it is panic hardware or fire exit hardware.

    2009 and forward does not require panic hardware for each door in the means of egress path from an A or E occupancy. The requirement was removed from the code.

    2018 IBC
    1010.1.10 Panic and fire exit hardware.
    Swinging doors serving a Group H occupancy and swinging doors serving rooms or spaces with an occupant load of 50 or more in a Group A or E occupancy shall not be provided with a latch or lock other than panic hardware or fire exit hardware.
    Exceptions:
    1. A main exit of a Group A occupancy shall be permitted to have locking devices in accordance with Section 1010.1.9.4, Item 2.
    2. Doors provided with panic hardware or fire exit hardware and serving a Group A or E occupancy shall be permitted to be electrically locked in accordance with Section 1010.1.9.9 or 1010.1.9.10.
     
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    georgia plans exam Silver Member

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    CDA, is there a code section to support requiring panic hardware from the "S" occupancy?

    GPE
     
  6. cda

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    Interesting

    Wonder why the change.


    I guess it did not take into A’s in other occupancies??


    Well that solves the problem


    Only the break room needs it.


    Boy been taken behind the barn today.
     
    #26 cda, Jul 11, 2019 at 4:10 PM
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    Think "Panic", where does the herd go first, 2nd, third? Can those with sight impairments find their way there too?
     
  8. mtlogcabin

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    Fire code requires quarterly evacuation drills for "A" occupancies

    405.2 Frequency.
    Required emergency evacuation drills shall be held at the intervals specified in Table 405.2 or more frequently where necessary to familiarize all occupants with the drill procedure.
     
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    I would hang my hat on this....the doors outside the A are still serving the A....
     
  10. Rick18071

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    So what does it mean by doors "serving".........

    Why wouldn't that mean every door in the A space or any door that a occupant from the A space could use including rest room doors that, closet doors, etc that "serve" the A occupancy. not just the means of egress.

    Why wouldn't the the doors be "serving" the A occupancy if occupants need to use them to enter the building and travel through the S-2 occupancy to get to the A occupancy doors.

    I don't see how the code when using the word "serving" only means the exit doors in the A room.
     

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