I'm sure someone thinks it. That person is an idiot.cda said:anyone think that the code should require panic hardware in other occupancies, besides A,E, and H?? 1. maybe when certain occupancies hit a set occupant load for that type of occupancy? 2. or after 50 O/L????
I threw in "approved" just to cover myself yes lever- approved onemark handler said:knobs are never allowed in non-residential. Do you mean levers?
I wouldn't generally take it that far, but . . .That person is an idiot.
Malls will have exit hardware where there is an assembly occupancy exiting through it - and assembly occupancies in malls must be located near a major exit.cda said:just seems like the IBC is going backwards in some areas. when a building can handle or have hundreds of people in it, why not make the exiting system a little safer????? just like a mall, not a place of assembly, so you could but an approved door knob on second exits from the mall areas?????? and how many people pack into a mall sometimes????
In a Foxworthian voice:permitguy said:If someone thinks that 500 people trying to get out of a cubicle farm looks any different than 500 people trying to get out of a convention space, I could just as effectively argue.
and the non assembly exits??? just put a lever on the door? to include the front doors people normally enter and exit?brudgers said:Malls will have exit hardware where there is an assembly occupancy exiting through it - and assembly occupancies in malls must be located near a major exit.
Well, let's put it this way... If someone puts a latch on an entrance door for a mall building, it won't be long until it becomes enough of a maintenance issue that it will be replaced with something more sensible.cda said:and the non assembly exits??? just put a lever on the door? to include the front doors people normally enter and exit?
If you can't recognize that those weren't the occupant load factors I was concerned with... you aren't a very good designer.If you can't recognize the difference between 50,000 sf office and a 2500 square foot assembly space... you might be an idiot.
Help me out here. I have any number of existing bldgs that are small Group M but because of the depth of the space they have the rear exit and always have had. Many were built in the 1930's and before. These exits are not accessible either. Can't these folks have a knob for their back door since it's not an accessible space? I would always prefer push bars on these bldgs especially in the old historic district. That said, what would be the most compliant solution? I'm always concerned about egress in these bldgs from a fire safety standpoint. Some of them are pretty iffy when looking past the veneers.mark handler said:knobs are never allowed in non-residential.
7 or 8 or what ever story hotel 30 units per floor possible 30 to 90 people per floor dumbing into a stairwell, door at the bottom people pile up at the bottom door??? granpa can't open the lever handlemtlogcabin said:Most malls have a food court which will require panic or no latching devices on the mall exit doorsLarge "M" occupancies usually have paddle delayed egress alarm harware
I do not see a reason to "require" panic hardware in other occupancy groups
If grandpa can't open the lever handle at the bottom of the stairs then the same logic would say he could not open the lever handle to get out of his room or through the door of the exit enclosure to get into the stairs in the first place.cda said:7 or 8 or what ever story hotel 30 units per floor possible 30 to 90 people per floor dumbing into a stairwell, door at the bottom people pile up at the bottom door??? granpa can't open the lever handle
Perhaps you should purchase a code book before further participation in this discussion.permitguy said:If you can't recognize that those weren't the occupant load factors I was concerned with... you aren't a very good designer.