Permit for Shed after 18yrs!

[Mr. Inspector]

Nothing a zoning permit too?

 

[atvjoel]

Are there utilities (power/water/gas) connected to this shed? Are people occupying it? If it is a pre-built factory shed on skids throw a couple wheels on it and call it a trailer?

Thats exactly my question. If he ran power and plumbing that is probably another story, dont think we have all the facts, if this truly is all the facts I would tell them to buzz off. If they violated me and gave me a specific amount of time I would just take the shed down, not worth fighting over small shed.

 

[Mr209Smith]

We are complaint based. We have been directed not to look for unpermitted construction (roof looks brand new, but nobody is working on it, etc.) but once someone complains, we have to do something about it. Because we don't actively look for violations, we get these situations where something has existed in the backyard for years but it was never addressed.

Unless the assessor has noted the structures existence, we have no way of knowing when it was built, 18 years ago or a used shed put up yesterday.

For unpermitted construction, if the inspector cannot visually inspect all structural elements, we too would make them get an architect or engineer involved. I find that highly unlikely for a small shed like this tho.. perhaps it is the foundation they are concerned about?

 

[Clamma]

2015 & 2018 IRC 105.2 (1) Work exempt from permit: One story detached accessory structures provided the floor area does not exceed 200 sq. ft.

 

[ICE]

For unpermitted construction, if the inspector cannot visually inspect all structural elements, we too would make them get an architect or engineer involved. I find that highly unlikely for a small shed like this tho.. perhaps it is the foundation they are concerned about?

If the structure that was built without permit or inspections required an engineered plan, then of course an engineered plan is required. That does not take the place of inspections. An engineer is not an inspector and even if she was an inspector, she wasn't there during the construction. What about the electrical, plumbing and mechanical....how does an engineer certify all of that?

About the only thing that an engineer can tell you is that the structure is still standing.

 

[ICE]

We are complaint based. We have been directed not to look for unpermitted construction (roof looks brand new, but nobody is working on it, etc.) but once someone complains, we have to do something about it.

It is the same here. There is too much bootlegged construction out there for any enforcement. My practice has been to turn a blind eye to all but the dangerous.

Complaint driven has the building dept. involved in neighbor disputes. It's all about one person trying to hurt another. I try to share the pain.

 

[ICE]

Pissing neighbor needs to be told that his complaint on his neighbor results in a review of all properties within 2 blocks in all directions for violations. 9 time out of 10 I have had the pissy neighbor drop the complaint because that is not their intention

I would be fired if I did that.....well no, apparently I can't actually be fired.....chewed out....ya that's the ticket, I would get chewed out...that's ok, I've been chewed out before.

 

[DAMNITBILL]

Hi, i have a weird situation here. I got a notice that a shed that was on the property when i purchased it a few years back was not built with a permit. I live in Seminole County, and i have talked to the investigator. But i am kinda unclear as to what to do. it is 10x14 foot shed, and the inspector said i needed signed & sealed plans. it was built 18 years ago and previous owner is not helpful. so i basically have zero info. just kinda lost and permitting department website is not helpful.

Way past the statute of limitations!!!! Also is it portable I mean on skids ware it can be moved it, in my jurisdiction that size portable building does NOT even require a building permit its considered temporary if, its on a slab then it would require a permit TO BUILD but YOU are way past the statute of limitations++++++
YOU ARE NOT/NOT/NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PROOF TO HANG YOUR SELF, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVE YOU DID NOT GET ONE ! It's CALLED THE 5TH AMENDMENT NO JUDGE OR GUBERMENT CAN REQUIRE YOU TO TESTIFIE OR PROVIDE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOUR SELF they are required to prove you had no permit. Don't fall into their trap !!!
If they continue to bother you, you can get a restraining order against the inspector or anyone harassing you and sue for harassment and that is NOT protected by the city, county or states attorney they have to pull the money out of their pocket , and you also can get from any court Judge to issue a cease desist order !
When the money comes out of the inspector's or whoever is pushing this pocket you will be amazed how their attitude will change when they're served a Subpoena to appear in court. Good luck you would be amazed how many people do NOT know this when you violate someone's civil rights NO PROTECTION FROM ANY GUBERMENT BODY ITS CALLED REACH INTO Their OWN POCKET IT WILL MAKE THERE BUTT PUCKER A LOT. That is providing you can fina a attorney that has grit! Most cities /town/ carry multimillion dollar lability insurance policies do you have any idea many attorneys you can get for 25/50 or a 100 million dollars insurance good luck and any Inspectors beware these gouberments will tell you anything you want to hear and it will get deep in dept don't fall for their trap.

 

[DAMNITBILL]

I understand it to mean that if there are no records of any sort, there is no way to claim that the shed was built without a permit. I have encountered that situation with additions to dwellings. A record search produces no records. So what then? I can't assume that there was no permit for any construction.

An inspector concerned himself with an eighteen year old 10'x14' shed on an acre lot? There might be more to this story.

It's called the 5th Amendment NO ONE is required to provide proof to hang themselves no court can demand it as well you might want to set down and read the constitution BUT I understand you are in calfornication, so I understand your confusion the heart of the communists party is there you are excused because of your brainwashing you live in.

 

[Mr209Smith]

Doesn't seem right. The Building Division will say they have no record of a permit. That will be their proof that there was no permit. It will be up to the owner to provide a copy of the permit, of the inspection card, of the approved plans.. something. You would have to show that the AHJ lost, misplaced, or destroyed the data, which may be possible, but it is unlikely.

The Statute of Limitations quite likely does not apply to failure to secure a building permit. There is no "grandfathering" of structures either, at least not around here.

Since this is, apparently, coming from someone in Florida, I guess they are just as bad as California?

 

[Jenks]

There are millions and millions of old buildings that fall into that category. And they are grandfathered in. No such thing as fair anymore!

So basically it was determined that one of the previous owners must have installed a shed without permitting, therefore illegally. You are now paying for the sins of the previous owner. You can't "grandfather" something that was not done right the first time.

 

[bill1952]

When this was built, was a building permit and/or a zoning no permit required for this size and type of construction in this jurisdiction? That seems like fundamental question not answered yet.

 

[mtsaz]

RIght- is there power/gas/sewer/water? has anyone lived in it? I dont understand why its an issue- and assuming its a simple shed- you might talk to them and see ---and ask for resolution. If that fails- It might be easier to take it apart- get the permit- and redo.

 

[Msradell]

RIght- is there power/gas/sewer/water? has anyone lived in it? I dont understand why its an issue- and assuming its a simple shed- you might talk to them and see ---and ask for resolution. If that fails- It might be easier to take it apart- get the permit- and redo.

There are lots of other options that have been discussed previously. This should only be considered as a last resort and certainly soon be necessary in this case.