Receptacles and Tubs

[JBI]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Mule - Yes. Lacking better or more specific language, this is an 'agree to disagree' and 'local interpretation' issue.

Too many of them for my liking.

What good is a universal code if it cannot be enforced universally?

 

[SCBO1]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

I think the op should get a prize! what u think!

 

[fatboy]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Awesome thread. My initial reaction was what we enforce locally, this would not be compliant.

We look at the tub space the same as shower space. After reading all the posts, I see that technically the code does not support that, although on page three I think John brings a good point to the table, the sentence structure can lead you either way.

I think it's a poor design, and that yes, it would be compliant if it were 6 inches away, but is that any more safe? Not really.

I would still reject it, let the BOA make a ruling on it.

Somebody going to submit a code change proposal to make this more clear?

 

[raider1]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

I will make a code proposal for the 2014 code cycle to try to clarify this code section.

Chris

 

[peach]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

darn handy if I want to dry my hair before I get out of the tub.

I'll call it tub stall and fail it.

 

[globe trekker]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Chris,

2014 seems like a very long time to wait on this one. Can something like an ' errata ' proposal be submitted? :?:

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[raider1]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Chris,2014 seems like a very long time to wait on this one. Can something like an ' errata ' proposal be submitted? :?:

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Nope, errata is just for printing errors and errors in text. An actual code change must be submitted to NFPA through the process.

The 2011 NEC code cycle is almost finished and no new proposals will be accepted.

Unfortunately the 2014 NEC is the earliest a new proposal could be accepted into the code.

Chris

 

[vegas paul]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Propose it for the 2012 IRC.

 

[raider1]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Propose it for the 2012 IRC.

The electrical portion of the IRC is written by NFPA and based on the most current edition of the NEC.

I'm not sure that you could propose a change specific to just the IRC electrical section.

Chris

 

[EPrice]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Chris,2014 seems like a very long time to wait on this one. Can something like an ' errata ' proposal be submitted? :?:

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Nope, errata is just for printing errors and errors in text. An actual code change must be submitted to NFPA through the process.

The 2011 NEC code cycle is almost finished and no new proposals will be accepted.

Unfortunately the 2014 NEC is the earliest a new proposal could be accepted into the code.

Chris

Well, on the bright side, the purpose of the code proposal is to get clarification on what the code, as currently written, intends. Committee action for the 2014 NEC should be completed by some time in 2012 or early 2013, no? At that time we'll know what the committee view on the current language is, and we'll have a clearer view of what the intent is.

 

[Mule]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Just do an ammendment to your code when you adopt it!

Can you guys tell I've been gone for a while and I am just now getting around to reading all of my old posts??? :roll:

 

[FredK]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

Saw this and while I was wandering in ICC land with no where to go had the same thing come up. Like many of you first response was get it out of there and when actually reading the code it could be there. So it's there.

One of the many items that really should be changed IMHO.

 

[GHRoberts]

Re: Receptacles and Tubs

SECTION E3902 RECEPTACLESE3902.11 Bathtub and shower space.

A receptacle shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall.

Even though the code states: A receptacle shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall. The title of the section is Bathtub and Shower Space. In my opinion the area around the tub is the "space" for the tub.

Not to code.

I would suggest that the difference is because the entire section covers the entire space while the receptacle section covers only a part of that space. Not an uncommon use of titles and sections.

To Code. But importantly there is enough difference of opinion between professionals that the section should be rewritten.