jar546
CBO
So ALL windows that are <60" from the deck walking surface and are located on the same size and within the confines of an exterior deck need to be safety glazing?
Such as:
Such as:
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Safety glazing and decks
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conarb
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Re: Safety glazing and decks
Unless the IRC has done something really crazy it's 18" above the walking surface.
Unless the IRC has done something really crazy it's 18" above the walking surface.
jar546
CBO
Re: Safety glazing and decks
OK, I am really trying hard to make this controversial. I have spoken to code officials who consider the deck surface a "landing" which makes the "walking surface" within 36" of the window that is less then 60" above the walking surface.
They do this because they believe that this meets the intent of the code.
OK, I am really trying hard to make this controversial. I have spoken to code officials who consider the deck surface a "landing" which makes the "walking surface" within 36" of the window that is less then 60" above the walking surface.
They do this because they believe that this meets the intent of the code.
Re: Safety glazing and decks
10. Glazing adjacent to stairways, landings and ramps
within 36 inches (914 mm) horizontally of a walking
surface when the exposed surface of the glass is less
than 60 inches (1524 mm) above the plane of the adjacent
walking surface
I guess one could say the deck is a landing. Hmmmmmmmmm
10. Glazing adjacent to stairways, landings and ramps
within 36 inches (914 mm) horizontally of a walking
surface when the exposed surface of the glass is less
than 60 inches (1524 mm) above the plane of the adjacent
walking surface
I guess one could say the deck is a landing. Hmmmmmmmmm
Re: Safety glazing and decks
The deck is a landing. But not the whole deck. Just the portion that is 36" out by the width of the door it serves. That is your required landing.
And yes the deck is a walking surface but the glazing must meet 4 requirements. See R308.4 number 7 which lists 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4 All of these are required in order to make it safety glazed.
Number 10 from R308.4 is a non issue for this application. JMHO. You may as well make every window in every bedroom safety glazed too if you are applying number 10 to the deck.
The deck is a landing. But not the whole deck. Just the portion that is 36" out by the width of the door it serves. That is your required landing.
And yes the deck is a walking surface but the glazing must meet 4 requirements. See R308.4 number 7 which lists 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4 All of these are required in order to make it safety glazed.
Number 10 from R308.4 is a non issue for this application. JMHO. You may as well make every window in every bedroom safety glazed too if you are applying number 10 to the deck.
conarb
REGISTERED
Re: Safety glazing and decks
It's off the wall code interpretations like this that bring disrespect to all codes.
It's off the wall code interpretations like this that bring disrespect to all codes.
georgia plans exam
Silver Member
Re: Safety glazing and decks
The IRC defines a deck as “an exterior floor system supported on at least two opposing sides by an adjoining structure and/or posts, piers, or other independent supports”.
Webster defines a landing as “a platform at the end of a flight of stairs”.
To interpret that deck as a landing is just bizarre.
GPE
The IRC defines a deck as “an exterior floor system supported on at least two opposing sides by an adjoining structure and/or posts, piers, or other independent supports”.
Webster defines a landing as “a platform at the end of a flight of stairs”.
To interpret that deck as a landing is just bizarre.
GPE
jeffc
Bronze Member
Re: Safety glazing and decks
IRC Section R311.4.3 states that there shall be a floor or landing on each side of the door. Our interp has been that if you have one or more steps from the door to the deck, a 3 x 3 section of the deck becomes the landing. If you have a floor level outside that is flush with the inside floor level, you have a floor outside, no landing, and no temp glass.
IRC Section R311.4.3 states that there shall be a floor or landing on each side of the door. Our interp has been that if you have one or more steps from the door to the deck, a 3 x 3 section of the deck becomes the landing. If you have a floor level outside that is flush with the inside floor level, you have a floor outside, no landing, and no temp glass.
RickAstoria
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Re: Safety glazing and decks
A deck is an exterior floor, and a landing all in one when it serves two purposes. It shall comply with both provisions (strictest applies). It can serve multiple roles.
A deck is an exterior floor, and a landing all in one when it serves two purposes. It shall comply with both provisions (strictest applies). It can serve multiple roles.
Re: Safety glazing and decks
well, then every single window on the first floor where you can walk to it on the grass needs to be tempered?
no.
If it's adjacent to a pool.. maybe.. just a deck, there are a lot of other factors involved before safety glazing is required.
well, then every single window on the first floor where you can walk to it on the grass needs to be tempered?
no.
If it's adjacent to a pool.. maybe.. just a deck, there are a lot of other factors involved before safety glazing is required.
Guest
Re: Safety glazing and decks
OK, I am really trying hard to make this controversial. I have spoken to code officials who consider the deck surface a "landing" which makes the "walking surface" within 36" of the window that is less then 60" above the walking surface.
They do this because they believe that this meets the intent of the code.
Would these same code officials declare a kitchen sink to be a bathtub because that's where babies get a bath?
OK, I am really trying hard to make this controversial. I have spoken to code officials who consider the deck surface a "landing" which makes the "walking surface" within 36" of the window that is less then 60" above the walking surface.
They do this because they believe that this meets the intent of the code.
Would these same code officials declare a kitchen sink to be a bathtub because that's where babies get a bath?
brat
Bronze Member
Re: Safety glazing and decks
From what is visible in the photo, the deck doesn't fall under any of the hazardous locations listed in R308.4. I think it's a real stretch to consider a deck as posted in the photo as a landing.
From what is visible in the photo, the deck doesn't fall under any of the hazardous locations listed in R308.4. I think it's a real stretch to consider a deck as posted in the photo as a landing.
High Desert
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Re: Safety glazing and decks
You have a required landing on both sides of the door to the deck. The width of the landing can't be less than the width of the door served and a minimum of 36" in the direction of travel. IMO, that's the landing, not the entire deck. If you apply it any other way and call the deck the landing, then the interior landing would be the entire floor are of the story it is in.
You have a required landing on both sides of the door to the deck. The width of the landing can't be less than the width of the door served and a minimum of 36" in the direction of travel. IMO, that's the landing, not the entire deck. If you apply it any other way and call the deck the landing, then the interior landing would be the entire floor are of the story it is in.
conarb
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Re: Safety glazing and decks
High:
I was going to make the same point, and tempered glass is notorious for scratching when it's being cleaned, I use laminated glass when safety glass is required which is great at the high-end, but is cost prohibitive on the lower end. It's difficult to temper glass without getting minute dust particles into the surface, those particles then cause scratching when hit by a razor blade, the temperers must constantly keep their equipment and facilities clean to avoid the problem, and many don't.
High:
I was going to make the same point, and tempered glass is notorious for scratching when it's being cleaned, I use laminated glass when safety glass is required which is great at the high-end, but is cost prohibitive on the lower end. It's difficult to temper glass without getting minute dust particles into the surface, those particles then cause scratching when hit by a razor blade, the temperers must constantly keep their equipment and facilities clean to avoid the problem, and many don't.
JBI
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Re: Safety glazing and decks
2006 IRC R308.4 Hazardous locations.
Exception: The following products, materials and uses are exempt from the above hazardous locations:
5. Glazing in Section R308.4, Items 7 and 10, when a protective bar is installed on the accessible side(s) of the glazing 36 inches ± 2 inches (914 mm ± 51 mm) above the floor. The bar shall be capable of withstanding a horizontal load of 50 pounds per linear foot (730 N/m) without contacting the glass and be a minimum of 1½ inches (38 mm) in height. (how far AFF is that 'serving sill' anyway?)
or...
9. Safety glazing in Section R308.4, Items 10 and 11, is not required where:
9.3. When a solid wall or panel extends from the plane of the adjacent walking surface to 34 inches (863 mm) to 36 inches (914 mm) above the floor and the construction at the top of that wall or panel is capable of withstanding the same horizontal load as the protective bar. (the wall is kind of self explanatory)
Personally, I don't believe that safety glass is required in this application anyway, but I know how much some of us like to have a code section to rely on.
We pretty much beat the snot out of the 'deck is a landing' debate a few months ago on that other board. I do tend to agree that a portion of the deck (or a floor inside) could be considered as a 'landing' for purposes of meeting the 'landing' requirements, but that does not make the entire deck (or floor) a landing, nor does it mandate safety glass in the case at hand. Sorry, JMHO.
2006 IRC R308.4 Hazardous locations.
Exception: The following products, materials and uses are exempt from the above hazardous locations:
5. Glazing in Section R308.4, Items 7 and 10, when a protective bar is installed on the accessible side(s) of the glazing 36 inches ± 2 inches (914 mm ± 51 mm) above the floor. The bar shall be capable of withstanding a horizontal load of 50 pounds per linear foot (730 N/m) without contacting the glass and be a minimum of 1½ inches (38 mm) in height. (how far AFF is that 'serving sill' anyway?)
or...
9. Safety glazing in Section R308.4, Items 10 and 11, is not required where:
9.3. When a solid wall or panel extends from the plane of the adjacent walking surface to 34 inches (863 mm) to 36 inches (914 mm) above the floor and the construction at the top of that wall or panel is capable of withstanding the same horizontal load as the protective bar. (the wall is kind of self explanatory)
Personally, I don't believe that safety glass is required in this application anyway, but I know how much some of us like to have a code section to rely on.
We pretty much beat the snot out of the 'deck is a landing' debate a few months ago on that other board. I do tend to agree that a portion of the deck (or a floor inside) could be considered as a 'landing' for purposes of meeting the 'landing' requirements, but that does not make the entire deck (or floor) a landing, nor does it mandate safety glass in the case at hand. Sorry, JMHO.
Re: Safety glazing and decks
so how do you determine that the area to the right of the window doesn't fall within the parameters of this code requirement?? yes; I agree that in this case the entire deck doesn't appear to be a landing.
JBI
REGISTERED
Re: Safety glazing and decks
Kilitact - Because of :
9. Safety glazing in Section R308.4, Items 10 and 11, is not required where:
9.3. When a solid wall or panel extends from the plane of the adjacent walking surface to 34 inches (863 mm) to 36 inches (914 mm) above the floor and the construction at the top of that wall or panel is capable of withstanding the same horizontal load as the protective bar. (the wall is kind of self explanatory)
Are you being obstinate again?
Kilitact - Because of :
9. Safety glazing in Section R308.4, Items 10 and 11, is not required where:
9.3. When a solid wall or panel extends from the plane of the adjacent walking surface to 34 inches (863 mm) to 36 inches (914 mm) above the floor and the construction at the top of that wall or panel is capable of withstanding the same horizontal load as the protective bar. (the wall is kind of self explanatory)
Are you being obstinate again?