Sidewalk or ramp

[ADAguy]

Agaim I say, 36" landing is not enough for a WC to turn 90 degrees in, ramp or not.

 

[mark handler]

And we wonder why there are so many non-accessible buildings built since ADA became law

Just blame it on the powers above.....in this case L&I

non-accessible is non-accessible

 

[MASSDRIVER]

Paul: I agree. and yes it is not good design. It seems to meet the very very minimum of the code.

So it is fine, yes?

Brent

 

[Mech]

Mark / ADAguy

Are you saying a 5 ft circle or T-shape turning space is required for all pathway widths or only certain pathway widths (OP asked about 36" wide pathway)? Assume this is NOT for a ramp.

 

[mark handler]

Mark / ADAguyAre you saying a 5 ft circle or T-shape turning space is required for all pathway widths or only certain pathway widths (OP asked about 36" wide pathway)? Assume this is NOT for a ramp.

3 ft wide is a bare minimum. to skirt the code through minimums cause problems.

When a wheeler "falls" of the sidewalk there will be a lawsuit. if there is a dropoff with this "sidewalk" you will be wondering why you will be reading it in the paper...

 

[Msradell]

3 ft wide is a bare minimum. to skirt the code through minimums cause problems.

the image On the right clearly demonstrates that it's possible for a wheelchair to make a 90 degree turn from a 36" wide sidewalk to a 36" wide sidewalk without having additional space at the corner. More space only required when doing a 180 degree corner. Not saying that it is good but it can be done.

 

[RJJ]

Mech: You are right that this application from revision is not a ramp. That was the first argument. Although the whole access is changing the second proposal was a 3' wide side walk with 2 90 degree turns that would not exceed 1:20. Thus it is a side walk. The accessible route does not exceed 200' so no call for anything for turn around.

Paul is correct along with L&I that it meets the minimum accessible standards. Any Massdriver that should answer your question.

Now that being said, it would be poor design, but it appears to be with in code. So if called to make a decision I would have to approve the design. I have made some suggestion to the builder for consideration that will improve his plan. I can only mandate what is code.

Looks to me that a code revision is need for real world application.

 

[JPohling]

I never have to consider this question as I have never done a walk less than 48" wide.