Significant Changes El. Code

[ICE]

This is a screen shot of the CALBO training material. The indication is that a service panel that does not have a single disconnect is not legal. According to this, no longer can you have a service with up to six circuit breakers serving as the service disconnect if it is in a single enclosure/cabinet.

 

[Msradell]

The condition that's no longer approved that common? At least around here I don't believe I've ever seen it.

 

[ICE]

The condition that's no longer approved that common? At least around here I don't believe I've ever seen it.

It is found in older service applications as well as contemporary feeder supplied detached structures.

The CALBO training material might be incorrect....

I was also informed that there will not be a PDF version of the California Electrical Code.... only printed. That's awful.

 

[chris kennedy]

It was a way to avoid spending a bunch of money to comply with NEC 230.95. Instead of buying a 1000A or larger GFP main breaker we would have up to 6 smaller breakers in one main lug panel board as our service equipment.

 

[Msradell]

It was a way to avoid spending a bunch of money to comply with NEC 230.95. Instead of buying a 1000A or larger GFP main breaker we would have up to 6 smaller breakers in one main lug panel board as our service equipment.

Around here we usually see the configuration on the far right for multiunit buildings.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

I see 6 service mains in a single pannel a lot. But this is not CA. what year NEC is this from?

 

[Paul Sweet]

It looks like 6 breakers in a single enclosure went away in the 2020 NEC.

 

[ICE]

I see 6 service mains in a single pannel a lot. But this is not CA. what year NEC is this from?

This is the 2022 CEC, based on the 2020 NEC.

Here is another change:

 

[ICE]

 

[BN4537]

It is found in older service applications as well as contemporary feeder supplied detached structures.

The CALBO training material might be incorrect....

I was also informed that there will not be a PDF version of the California Electrical Code.... only printed. That's awful.

It is correct, although I believe you can have 6 separate disconnects in the same cabinet as long as they are separated/guarded from each other, so you can access the wiring to each disconnect without being exposed the wiring for the others.

 

[ICE]

Almost every island/penisala will require multiple receptacles..




Are you people paying attention?

 

[ICE]

Decks are mentioned here. Jeff is excited about decks.

 

[Norcal]

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That 2020 GFCI requirement for A/C equipment caused a schiff storm when it was discovered that inverter based equipment did not play well with GFCIs, meaning the equipment was unusable.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

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Decks are mentioned here. Jeff is excited about decks.

looks like if a deck is on the roof or connected to a accessory building like a garage or pool house does not require a outlet.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Just starting the 2017 NEC here and still electrical contractors don't know about the 2014 requirement for 110.24 available fault current label for the service. I have been just requiring it on large services above 200A or 3 phase so far. Wonder if everyone else requires it on small and temporary services?
They don't seem to know about "extra duty" in use covers over outdoor receptacles too.

 

[jar546]

The condition that's no longer approved that common? At least around here I don't believe I've ever seen it.

I've seen it in Pennsylvania and Florida. When the panels get changed, so does the method of disconnect and it changes from a basic split panel to a main service disconnect

 

[jar546]

It was a way to avoid spending a bunch of money to comply with NEC 230.95. Instead of buying a 1000A or larger GFP main breaker we would have up to 6 smaller breakers in one main lug panel board as our service equipment.

Joe pinching pennies?

 

[jar546]

NEC 2023 Verbiage

 

[ICE]

Joe pinching pennies?

Considering the breadth of your code knowledge perhaps you can shed light on what drove the code change. There is not an apparent advantage to the new code and the old code has been around for a long time. The reason is probably written down somewhere and if anyone knows where....you do.

Thanks

 

[mark handler]

I was also informed that there will not be a PDF version of the California Electrical Code.... only printed. That's awful.

It (2019 and 2023) is online:

NFPA 70®: National Electrical Code®

<p>90.2(C) Installations Covered.<br /><br />This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables for the following:<br /><br /> (1) Public and private...

www.nfpa.org

 

[steveray]

Almost every island/penisala will require multiple receptacles..

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Are you people paying attention?

Don't worry....2023 you don't need any.....

 

[ICE]

Don't worry....2023 you don't need any.....

?

 

[steveray]

2023 NEC No longer requires island or peninsula receptacles, but id you have them they have to be above the top of the counter...

 

[ICE]

2023 NEC No longer requires island or peninsula receptacles, but id you have them they have to be above the top of the counter...

Here is the 2023 NEC. Note that the code says if installed it shall be on or above the countertop. It goes on to say that if a receptacle is not provided it shall be installed anyway.

It makes me wonder if the committee members came to blows before they reached this impasse.