Smoke alarms, bedroom

[mark handler]

Actually 42 feetHave not read that entire section

What he is saying

Detector in the middle covers 21 feet on each side.

That is normally a semi narrow corridor/ hallway

Still do not consider that "in close proximity." or "immediate vicinity"

 

[JBI]

If memory serves me correctly, smoke alarms typically have about a 30' radius, so 21' is not that far. CO alarms have a shorter range, typically about 15' I believe. The hallway alarm is to detect smoke from another part of the home in most cases.

Ha anyone else considered the man cave as possible 'sleeping room' in the dwelling?

What's the secondary way out of it?

Will another alarm be needed there?

 

[fatboy]

Without seeing a floor plan, or in person, can't say for sure. If there is substantial separation, or elevation of ceiling heights, yes, two detectors.

 

[SCBO1]

IRC2012, R314.3 Location: (2) Outside each separate sleeping area in the IMMEDIATE VICINITY of the bedrooms.

Is the living room in the immediate vicinity of the bedroom'S??

I think the "man who draws" has a point!

pc1

 

[BSSTG]

If I had to pick one place outside of one of the doors, I would pick the door with the least distance to an exit. just sayin

BSSTG

 

[north star]

& > >

" Has anyone else considered the man cave as possible 'sleeping room' in the dwelling? "

It depends !...........If The Man Cave has a designated enclosed closet, or Closets,...by the intent of the Code, I would say Yes !.........Even if the Man Cave doesn't

have designated Closets, I would still consider them to be a "guaranteed"

sleeping room \ area.........IMO, that is part of the whole Man Cave "modus

operandi".

That said though, ...I could not require additional Code requirements for an

unofficial sleeping area.........By the Letter of the Code, I would consider them

to be similar in function to a Family Room or Den.

Maybe something to consider in the next Code adoption cycle:

Section R310.1 - Emergency escape and rescue required:

"Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room [ or rooms

\ areas of similar intent or function ] shall have at least one

operable emergency escape and rescue opening............Where

basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, emergency

egress and rescue openings shall be required in each sleeping

room."

To [ possibly ] include language indicating rooms \ areas that

serve & function as "sleeping rooms \ areas" [ i.e. - Bonus Rooms,

Man Caves, etc. ].



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[cda]

& > >It depends !...........If The Man Cave has a designated enclosed closet, or Closets,

...by the intent of the Code, I would say Yes !.........Even if the Man Cave doesn't

have designated Closets, I would still consider them to be a "guaranteed"

sleeping room \ area.........IMO, that is part of the whole Man Cave "modus

operandi".

That said though, ...I could not require additional Code requirements for an

unofficial sleeping area.........By the Letter of the Code, I would consider them

to be similar in function to a Family Room or Den.

Maybe something to consider in the next Code adoption cycle:

Section R310.1 - Emergency escape and rescue required:

"Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room [ or rooms

\ areas of similar intent or function ] shall have at least one

operable emergency escape and rescue opening............Where

basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, emergency

egress and rescue openings shall be required in each sleeping

room."

To [ possibly ] include language indicating rooms \ areas that

serve & function as "sleeping rooms \ areas" [ i.e. - Bonus Rooms,

Man Caves, etc. ].



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A window in my media room!!!!

Not in my kingdom ! !

 

[north star]

& ~ & ~ &

" A window in my media room!!!!Not in my kingdom ! ! "

Why not ?........Some are already trying to legislate & control every aspectof our lives, ...in our castles.

"Oh look honey, ...there goes another swarm of those "Eyes In the Sky" drones !

Wave at `em !



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[Mr. Inspector]

So where do you put the alarm if the bedroom is off the kitchen?

 

[mark handler]

So where do you put the alarm if the bedroom is off the kitchen?

Bedroom and kitchen, with cm detector also in the kitchen

 

[cda]

So where do you put the alarm if the bedroom is off the kitchen?

Near the bedroom door, a little distance from the kitchen

Plus::

Installation near cooking appliances.

Smoke alarms shall not be installed in the following locations unless this would prevent placement of a smoke alarm in a location required by Section R314.3.

1. Ionization smoke alarms shall not be installed less than 20 feet (6096 mm) horizontally from a permanently installed cooking appliance.

2. Ionization smoke alarms with an alarm-silencing switch shall not be installed less than 10 feet (3048 mm) horizontally from a permanently installed cooking appliance.

3. Photoelectric smoke alarms shall not be installed less than 6 feet (1828 mm) horizontally from a permanently installed cooking appliance.

 

[cda]

There are so many floor plan layouts.

The code is not clear

Not crystal clear

So inspector on site needs to make the call!!

 

[RFDACM02]

The Life Safety Code (NFPA 101) says one detector in every bedroom, one outside in the area giving way to the bedroom(s). While you may technically cover any of the requirements with the one outside, it would appear the intent is to warn persons sleeping inside a bedroom before the smoke enters the space. I would not require smoke in any bathroom, but I do in a kitchen as is common with many efficiency apartments. Our State requires Photo-electric within 20 ft of a kitchen of bathroom. If you're stuck on it, maybe "allow" a 10 year battery unit in the second outside location?